Titan is hard because your camera isn't zoomed out, not because of server-side delays

[Tupsi]

Hell I would say there is in fact a 4th issue we face and its people defending SE in these threads clouding the issue the threads is mainly about and thereby making it harder to make SE hear us.

You say people aren't using common sense...but doesn't common sense dictate that if there's an issue on SE's end and PURELY SE's end, everyone would be affected and not just a group of people?

So, invariably...it's SE's fault, it can never be a problem somewhere that isn't purely in SE's control?

"Yes, because it doesn't happen in other MMORPGS."

I get insane lag issues with Tera but I do not with FFXIV or GW2, so should I blame the company behind Tera? Or should I look to see if there's an issue maybe on my end somewhere? XIV is not built like other MMORPGs, it may use the same systems like quest based progression but the backend isn't exactly the same. SE can do everything in the world and people will still have issues because there's people out there who still have issues with WoW even though it's "perfect" as people keep passing off at times.

[ispano]

I failed nothing.

Refusing to accept that you yourself might have failed, just makes you less believable. If you make a mistake, you accept that you made a mistake. That's the one big thing most people refuse to do. "I can do no wrong" is a very bad mentality. And again, since you refuse to read everything people say, I have always felt that SE could be at the root of the issue, or there is something they can do about it. Still doesn't mean it IS them, or that they CAN do something.

[Asmodeus]

You say people aren't using common sense...but doesn't common sense dictate that if there's an issue on SE's end and PURELY SE's end, everyone would be affected and not just a group of people?

So, invariably...it's SE's fault, it can never be a problem somewhere that isn't purely in SE's control?

"Yes, because it doesn't happen in other MMORPGS."

I get insane lag issues with Tera but I do not with FFXIV or GW2, so should I blame the company behind Tera? Or should I look to see if there's an issue maybe on my end somewhere? XIV is not built like other MMORPGs, it may use the same systems like quest based progression but the backend isn't exactly the same. SE can do everything in the world and people will still have issues because there's people out there who still have issues with WoW even though it's "perfect" as people keep passing off at times.

Strawman argument, no one ever claimed its only at SE end and there could be no problems anywhere else. We do claim though fixing the 300ms delay would improve things.

Refusing to accept that you yourself might have failed, just makes you less believable. If you make a mistake, you accept that you made a mistake. That's the one big thing most people refuse to do. "I can do no wrong" is a very bad mentality. And again, since you refuse to read everything people say, I have always felt that SE could be at the root of the issue, or there is something they can do about it. Still doesn't mean it IS them, or that they CAN do something.

I am assuming you didn't wait a minute as I edited my post to get around the word limit. When I said I failed at nothing I meant in the fact that I did read your posts. Maybe I failed to communicate that properly.

No you are in group C because you are pretending to be reasonable via clever wording.

Actually, many people have.

And we don't care what they say as it is clear they fit in group A. By no one I mean the people starting these threads and trying to get something done that actually have a clue. IF you were as you claimed you would not keep going on about them and would be instead trying to get this issue fixed or at least get them to give us an answer.

Yet you don't and keep trolling, why is that?

Btw I hit my last daily post limit so I added this here, and with that I must say toodles!

[ispano]

Strawman argument, no one ever claimed its ONLY at SE ends and there could be no problems anywhere else.

Actually, many people have.

[Sunarie]

Let me ask you something then. What if they made the servers sync player positions as close to instantly as possible, same with syncing clients. To remove said issue. And people still get hit and claim they were out and blame lag?

The problem here is there are tons of videos of people showing this is what happens. The strategy for Titan is pure illustration that it happens to a ton of people. You're still failing to provide one other example of an MMO that has had the exact problem of getting hit when you're out of stuff. I'm not even talking about the people who cry lag and then have no evidence to back it up. I'm not claiming some people don't have bad ISPs or that some ISPs are throttling bandwidth.

Obviously though, SE did something different than literally every other MMO on the market, and not in a good way (in relation to how they handle aoes, positional updates, and latency). The fact that I can do a Google search for the issue in any other game I can think of and come back with zero results of the issue is pretty solid proof of that. It doesn't, and hasn't happened in any game I have played going back to 2003. Have I rubber banded? Yeah.. has my FPS dropped, or things paused and then sped up? Sure.. that is not the issue though, and for the large part that's not what people are referring to as lag.

I've beat Titan, I've been in Coil. I don't buy the "but if they fix the issue the fight is just gonna be easier" bs. It's not hard to begin with, the whole positional update issue makes it hard and it's making players berate, and belittle people because for some it -is- an impossible wall strictly because of how the game does it's positioning. They have an issue, they need to fix it.. 1.0 is proof it causes lots of people to quit. People like you are just hurting the game further.

[Goreth]

Let me ask you something then. What if they made the servers sync player positions as close to instantly as possible, same with syncing clients. To remove said issue. And people still get hit and claim they were out and blame lag? What then? If it was such a serious problem, many many more people would be complaining about it. But many of us DON'T have the issue. I can't even count the amount of times I've just BARELY gotten out of, for example, Titan's weights, and not gotten hit. According to the people claiming lag, it's not possible.

So I repeat, the server sync and positional delay are indeed problems, but fixing or changing those will not get rid of the "lag" many people blame.

You know things must be bad when you are forced to concede an argument to your own straw man.

[IvoryFox]

To the people "the weird lag/positional update doesn't exist because I don't experience it", SE has already accepted the problem as a bug.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...s-everybody%29

I really think you're just making yourselves look silly, but whatever makes your knickers tighter.

[Sybreed]

You know things must be bad when you are forced to concede an argument to your own straw man.

Lmao I was thinking that XD.

[Gravehill]

I get insane lag issues with Tera but I do not with FFXIV or GW2, so should I blame the company behind Tera? Or should I look to see if there's an issue maybe on my end somewhere? XIV is not built like other MMORPGs, it may use the same systems like quest based progression but the backend isn't exactly the same. SE can do everything in the world and people will still have issues because there's people out there who still have issues with WoW even though it's "perfect" as people keep passing off at times.

Like I said earlier in the thread, if you can prove you are getting no latency in FFXIV I will paypal you $500

[Astarica]

Put autorun on and start casting any spell you want and see how long it takes before it's stopped despite having no ability to cast a spell on the run. If this doesn't convince you that the lag in this game is persistent, I don't think anything else will.