Titan is hard because your camera isn't zoomed out, not because of server-side delays

[ispano]

Everyone has seen it. There are videos.

And that's what they're trying to say. Seeing it in a video from SOMEONE ELSE is not the same as having the issue yourself. All that says is that SOME people have an issue, and that can easily be an issue with something out of SE's control.

[Rochetm]

LA with Time Warner. We get routed through Tata. We have friends who live in OC who have AT&T that gets routed through Tata (also getting issues). We also have friends in Oceanside who have the same issue with Tata (I forget what service they have).





Everyone has seen it. There are videos.

Several years on the exact same connection and never had a problem with any other games. WoW I never get hit with anything. BF3 I dodge tank shells... FFXIV I randomly cannot dodge anything while other days nothing ever hits me. Sometimes it gets real fun and I go into a boss fight and get nailed by everything... we wipe and then I go an entire fight while never even being close to anything.

But yeah its my ISP cause someone on the forums says so.

[ispano]

Several years on the exact same connection and never had a problem with any other games. WoW I never get hit with anything. BF3 I dodge tank shells... FFXIV I randomly cannot dodge anything while other days nothing ever hits me. Sometimes it gets real fun and I go into a boss fight and get nailed by everything... we wipe and then I go an entire fight while never even being close to anything.

But yeah its my ISP cause someone on the forums says so.

Your ISP can be fine, and so can everything on SE's end, and you can still have a problem. That's the point some of us are trying to make. Too many think because they don't have other issues with their ISP or local connection, it MUST be SE. Could it be something SE can control? Sure. But that also doesn't mean it is something they can fix, or that they have the power to get it changed.

[Sunarie]

Your ISP can be fine, and so can everything on SE's end, and you can still have a problem. That's the point some of us are trying to make. Too many think because they don't have other issues with their ISP or local connection, it MUST be SE. Could it be something SE can control? Sure. But that also doesn't mean it is something they can fix, or that they have the power to get it changed.

So.. not just to you, but to any others saying this is due to something on the user's end. Latency, lag.. isn't new to MMOs. I invite any of you to search the internet and provide an example where a player has been hit by an aoe they were clearly out of before the skill finished casting and the "red" went away.

[ispano]

So.. not just to you, but to any others saying this is due to something on the user's end. Latency, lag.. isn't new to MMOs. I invite any of you to search the internet and provide an example where a player has been hit by an aoe they were clearly out of before the skill finished casting and the "red" went away.

I invite you to the forums, this thread specifically: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...s-everybody%29 That issue is known, however, that actually affects EVERYONE. Yet many people still have no issue with it? That issue is part of SE's server setup, yet many people have no issue with it?

You also missed my point. I never said it was on the User's end, I said that it's not necessarily SE's fault either. Guess how many companies/connections your connection goes through, that are not controlled by SE, SE's ISP, or your ISP?

And in some cases it IS your ISP. I know from experience that ISPs don't generally tell a customer if they have an issue somewhere that might cause weird latency problems with a certain game/server location. I had noise on my lines for almost a YEAR, with BUSINESS service from one ISP, because they couldn't find it, and I saw it every day. It only went away once they implemented upload channel bonding and I was able to get away from the affected channel.

[Sunarie]

I invite you to the forums, this thread specifically: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...s-everybody%29 That issue is known, however, that actually affects EVERYONE. Yet many people still have no issue with it? That issue is part of SE's server setup, yet many people have no issue with it?

And as a community rep has already pointed out.. an accepted bug means nothing more than they have gathered enough evidence to do an investigation (maybe) at some point. It does not mean it's confirmed to be an issue or anything like that. Also, that issue is what people are calling lag.. that so many people claim doesn't exist, or it's on the person's end.. or all the people are lying.

I'm not really sure why you linked the thread to me, as it kind of proves my point? That issue doesn't happen outside of this MMO...

If it's not SE's fault.. then how does the issue not happen in any other game regardless of ISPs and so on? That was -my- point. ISPs, latency, lag.. none of that is new to the MMO industry at all. However the whole.. not being able to move out of things cause you get hit even when you are out.. that's unique to SE. They did something wrong on their end, people just don't want to admit it.

[Tupsi]

I'm not really sure why you linked the thread to me, as it kind of proves my point? That issue doesn't happen outside of this MMO...

And many ISPs throttle P2P traffic - Which is what FFXIV ARR is considered to be to some ISPs based on the "main" topic.

[ispano]

And as a community rep has already pointed out.. an accepted bug means nothing more than they have gathered enough evidence to do an investigation (maybe) at some point. It does not mean it's confirmed to be an issue or anything like that. Also, that issue is what people are calling lag.. that so many people claim doesn't exist, or it's on the person's end.. or all the people are lying.

I'm not really sure why you linked the thread to me, as it kind of proves my point? That issue doesn't happen outside of this MMO...

I linked it to you, because the situation you described is related to that issue. I never stated SE confirmed it as an issue. However that is confirmed by players to affect EVERYONE. Which means it's unanimous it's on SE's end. Now if SE decides it's not an issue to them, or maybe they will decide it is, then that's that. Also, this has happened in other MMOs, but it got fixed/changed. My point is that OUTSIDE of that issue, that people deal with easily all the time, other people are claiming other lag issues. But not everyone. I've experienced server lag, lag due to people choking my connection, lag due to packet loss. I know what it is. I know when it's the server lagging and not me. There are many things that can cause lag. I'm tired of people blaming it on one party when they really have no clue at all if it really is or not.

And I repeat, everyone has the issue in that link. But most people don't have "lag" issues, but no it must be that. It is an issue, I feel it should be fixed or whatnot. But it is completely playable even with said issue. Some people are having OTHER problems, which may compound it, but still, other problems that may or may not be SE's fault.

And many ISPs throttle P2P traffic - Which is what FFXIV ARR is considered to be to some ISPs based on the "main" topic.

Indeed, and to nip it in the bud before anyone else says anything. This is an ISP issue, not SE's in this case. While the data stream "might" look like P2P. With P2P you generally have multiple connections, not one to a single server. Plus the actual bandwidth used is tiny outside of patches. 100% ISP issue for this particular one.

[Sunarie]

I never stated SE confirmed it as an issue. However that is confirmed by players to affect EVERYONE. Which means it's unanimous it's on SE's end. Now if SE decides it's not an issue to them, or maybe they will decide it is, then that's that. Also, this has happened in other MMOs, but it got fixed/changed.

What people are calling lag though is getting out of aoe's and then still getting hit (at least anyone I know that cries lag). Some have it worse than others, sure.. but it hasn't happened in any other MMO. Ability lag and such? Sure.. But not being hit by things you were out of. If you provide me of an example of where that has happened, I will shut up. However, SE did something wrong with how the game handles latency and positioning for AOEs. People arguing that it's on the player end are just defending that there isn't anything wrong and will hurt the game in the long run (it is an issue that helped to kill 1.0).

[Asmodeus]

You may wish to add more groups to that. Because there are most certainly people who don't fit into any of them. I've had very little issue dodging mechanics on Titan, with ~200ms latency no less. I've dodged them when the server was lagging since I knew they were coming based on his rotation. Does that mean the servers are perfect? No. There are issues, the .3 second positional updates work, but could easily be better. HOWEVER. That doesn't mean people's connections aren't at issue either, or their ISP, or the route to the servers which SE has no control over, or many other things that could be an issue but will get brushed aside as being SE's problem to deal with.

No three groups is fine, you fit into group C. Like has been said over and over and over no one is denying that for some it can be "net" lag problems.

The big three are net lag, pc lag and the 300ms forced on us. This has been talked about often and is nothing new to most of us. All of us are used to the first 2 which we can deal with using various methods. The problem is when people suffering from the first 2 have to also deal with the 3rd issue, especially since if people are honest about it they will admit even with a 31ms avg ping the 3rd issue can sometimes buck up and throw you.

SE cannot fix the first 2 issues but it can damn well fix the third. MMo are nothing new nowadays and we all have learned to deal with net lag and pc lag. Forcing a 300ms position check delay was asinine to start with, it doesn't matter if there are ways to "get around" the issues like doing the achy breaky dance before attacks come up.

It is not rocket science.