Titan is hard because your camera isn't zoomed out, not because of server-side delays

[ispano]

I called him out because he needed to be called out. Myself and others have been vocal about this since the betas and they did improve on the problem but not enough. Now that betas are done it is becoming increasingly difficult to get any attention by the proper people on this issue because of people like him and yourself.

It's pretty clear you both belong to group C. See here for an explantion.

You may wish to add more groups to that. Because there are most certainly people who don't fit into any of them. I've had very little issue dodging mechanics on Titan, with ~200ms latency no less. I've dodged them when the server was lagging since I knew they were coming based on his rotation. Does that mean the servers are perfect? No. There are issues, the .3 second positional updates work, but could easily be better. HOWEVER. That doesn't mean people's connections aren't at issue either, or their ISP, or the route to the servers which SE has no control over, or many other things that could be an issue but will get brushed aside as being SE's problem to deal with.

[LiadansWhisper]

You may wish to add more groups to that. Because there are most certainly people who don't fit into any of them. I've had very little issue dodging mechanics on Titan, with ~200ms latency no less. I've dodged them when the server was lagging since I knew they were coming based on his rotation. Does that mean the servers are perfect? No. There are issues, the .3 second positional updates work, but could easily be better. HOWEVER. That doesn't mean people's connections aren't at issue either, or their ISP, or the route to the servers which SE has no control over, or many other things that could be an issue but will get brushed aside as being SE's problem to deal with.

^^ Is basically what I was getting at. It's also true that what happens on my screen in terms of what other players are doing is not necessarily what is happening on the other players' screens.

[Asmodeus]

You may wish to add more groups to that. Because there are most certainly people who don't fit into any of them. I've had very little issue dodging mechanics on Titan, with ~200ms latency no less. I've dodged them when the server was lagging since I knew they were coming based on his rotation. Does that mean the servers are perfect? No. There are issues, the .3 second positional updates work, but could easily be better. HOWEVER. That doesn't mean people's connections aren't at issue either, or their ISP, or the route to the servers which SE has no control over, or many other things that could be an issue but will get brushed aside as being SE's problem to deal with.

No three groups is fine, you fit into group C. Like has been said over and over and over no one is denying that for some it can be "net" lag problems.

The big three are net lag, pc lag and the 300ms forced on us. This has been talked about often and is nothing new to most of us. All of us are used to the first 2 which we can deal with using various methods. The problem is when people suffering from the first 2 have to also deal with the 3rd issue, especially since if people are honest about it they will admit even with a 31ms avg ping the 3rd issue can sometimes buck up and throw you.

SE cannot fix the first 2 issues but it can damn well fix the third. MMo are nothing new nowadays and we all have learned to deal with net lag and pc lag. Forcing a 300ms position check delay was asinine to start with, it doesn't matter if there are ways to "get around" the issues like doing the achy breaky dance before attacks come up.

It is not rocket science.

[Undrentide]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3leMnErroL0

Demonstrates exactly what the problem is, and its not even on the Titan battle. Watch it then deny theres lag/latency/positional update delay call it whatever you will.

[Fearcules]

Titan HM seems alot better than I remember normal Titan being back when ARR was released. I just went to bed one night because I was too flustered with it, I would sprint halfway across his platform and still get knocked back and off. I failed my group about 4 times before I just said I'm sorry, and logged for the night. If I wasn't out by half cast then I was hit. HM I may just have gotten better because although I still haven't beaten it, out of the 8 times I played earlier the only time I got hit was coming down from the lb. Earlier I was in AK on demon wall though. Repel happened, I seen everyone else fly backwards but I didn't move, I thought I must have dodged the attack, so I went on to the side to start attacking, the team gets back up to the wall and starts hitting it again, and BAM I fly off the edge because by that time I was back at it's side attacking... Really wondered what everyone else seen but it was a random group and nobody said a word...

[Grailer]

if titan is so hard then how come I have my relic ?

[Asmodeus]

if titan is so hard then how come I have my relic ?

Your statement has nothing to do with the issue under discussion here, guess your in group C too!

[Iskander]

I have 3 relics and working towards number 4 and I can say for a fact that the issue isn't because of the camera zoom. I always keep the camera zoomed out at max in order to see everything. There have been times where there has been no lag in the fight, and times when I can get out of attacks and be in the middle of attacking/casting and then die from plumes that I was already out of. I've been knocked off of the platform from landslides that I've gotten out of and running alongside and still been killed.

The lag isn't always with titan though. There have been times when I've done an attack or casted a spell and I can't do anything for 1-3 seconds because the server hasn't updated that the attack is finished and the mp/tp needs to be deducted.

[ispano]

They plan to nerf all "hard" content eventually, this has been known. But not before new content comes out to replace it.

In any case, my point is made. While you may or may not, many people claim "lag" as the reason for a failure to dodge. Some just didn't react in time. Some may have legitimate lag. Some may be experiencing server lag(Note the whole group would get it as well, which certainly does happen). The point is, that many or most of these people, REFUSE to accept that it's anything but SE's fault. Because they have Super Awesome Connection X or it doesn't happen elsewhere. I will happily point out a fault on SE's end, but I will not needlessly blame them without proof.

[IvoryFox]

To the people "the weird lag/positional update doesn't exist because I don't experience it", SE has already accepted the problem as a bug.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...s-everybody%29

I really think you're just making yourselves look silly, but whatever makes your knickers tighter.