Market Wards, enough is enough

[IveraIvalice]

1. Not Exclusive to Auction Houses. Can be implemented in the Market Ward.
2. Not Exclusive to Auction Houses. Can be implemented in the Market Ward.
3. Market Wards already allow you to compare prices of items others are selling. If you feel you can make a profit and sell the item faster for a lower price then already listed, go ahead. Thats economics.
4. Not Exclusive.
5. In FFXI your money was not given to you directly when you sold an item. It was delievered to your mailbox and you had to go to a mog house to get it. Same with every other AH the money is dropped in a mailbox that you have to go hunt down.
6. Not exclusive.


Everything you mentioned can be implemented into the Market Ward without an Auction house.

im sorry, most of your "not exclusive" doesnt explain anything.
your #1 you cant buy or sell items from the list because if they did do that, that would make it the AH that everyone wants because it would completely remove the "traveling to the individual wards" part.
2 i can indeed be implemented into the mw system, however the problem is that your not just getting the item, you have to go there, which means there would have to be either a "fieldcraft ward (Gridania), fieldcraft ward (Ul'Dha), and field craft (Limsa) for each and every ward, because you would acctually be going to those areas or you can get free teleports by just using the market system.
3 i understand how the economy works, but you cant examine the price others are selling their items for. you can only see all the prices when you looking for the item to buy, not sell. if your at your retainer and your wondering how much to sell something for, you must go to the item search feature at the end of the room and search for it and then go back to your retainer, for every item.
4 same as number 1. it is exclusive because if it wasnt, it would be a AH, no control over where you put your retainer/ not having to go to him physically
5 yeah i now the money was not given to you directly but because FFXIV has no mailbox system, the way it would work is if you just received your money, or if you picked it up at the AH. that also wouldnt be a big issue if you werent running around to do everything else. running to one place isnt bad. and the mailbox/ moghouse feature in ffxi also served to change your job and store items. so it was much more tolerable to go get it yourself.
6 your response has no benefit to the community. you dont explain how at all. and i dont get why you mentioned it.
but ill also mention since it seems you didnt read. im summing up the community's thoughts and listing the pros and cons of the current system to see how we can fix it. im not listing pros and cons of what if could be, i listed what it is now. and therefor, all of your "not exculsives" become invalid.

[IveraIvalice]

And then it pretty much gets turned into an Auction House.

exactly what i was thinking

[Elexia]

There are players that simply want an Auction House. Why is that so hard for some people to understand?

It's easy to understand.

I want a personal airship.

I want my Corsair back.

I want my Dark Knight back.

What pro-AH people don't understand is that having an AH implemented won't fix anything wrong with this game.

[Sorel]

And then it pretty much gets turned into an Auction House.

And then it pretty much gets turned into a Market Ward.

And then it pretty much gets turned into a Turkish Baazar.

What we call the collection of features that allows players to buy and sell goods means nothing. Less than nothing, actually.

What IS important are the actual features. The semantics may be fun to argue but they don't help the Development Team give us what we need. What we need are features ... not name changes.

So let's talk about features, shall we??

[IveraIvalice]

What pro-AH people don't understand is that having an AH implemented won't fix anything wrong with this game.

all i got to say is wow
we're not saying something like "i want conjurer to be named black mage"
THAT wouldnt help fix anything at all.
obviously an AH would help the game and make things easier unless we wouldnt be mentioning it like that

[yukikaze_yanagi]

all i got to say is wow
we're not saying something like "i want conjurer to be named black mage"
THAT wouldnt help fix anything at all.
obviously an AH would help the game and make things easier unless we wouldnt be mentioning it like that

well, seems the devs don't look it in that way. And he's said in this same topic:

Rest assured that the team is in the process on stabilizing and improving the current retainer system. Something that I want everyone to keep in mind is that even if we simply changed the current system over to an auction house, that doesn’t mean it would solve all of our problems overnight. There are more things that would still need to be adjusted if that were to happen. As such we aren't currently planning on switching over to an auction house system as of yet.

[IveraIvalice]

What we call the collection of features that allows players to buy and sell goods means nothing. Less than nothing, actually.

What IS important are the actual features. The semantics may be fun to argue but they don't help the Development Team give us what we need. What we need are features ... not name changes.

So let's talk about features, shall we??

wow you really need to know what your talking about before you post, if you think its just a name change that we're asking for, go back and read a few posts. mine a few posts back should clue you in on why this topic is so big.

[IveraIvalice]

well, seems the devs don't look it in that way. And he's said in this same topic:

indeed, thats because the current system works. i dont think that would be argued. its possible to do everything we need in the MW system.
and because of that, they don't feel its necessary to change it.
but the problem isnt that its possible, its about how easy and convenient it is.

[Cairdeas]

And then it pretty much gets turned into an Auction House.

If it doesn't have Blind or Timed Bidding its not an auction house. Its just a searchable market.

[Sorel]

indeed, thats because the current system works. i dont think that would be argued. its possible to do everything we need in the MW system.
and because of that, they don't feel its necessary to change it.
but the problem isnt that its possible, its about how easy and convenient it is.

I mean no disrespect. I've read every post in this topic. Some I've read twice to completely understand, because so many points are brought up. I hope that you can understand my point, which is not for everyone to get hung up on the name.

The name has no value. If the Development Team removes the Market Wards and puts in an Auction House that functions exactly the same way (i.e. lots of walking, disconnected markets, etc), we will be no better off for it.

We need to concentrate on the features we want, regardless of the name those collection of features are called.