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    Um...no...Stoneskin's effect is after the fact, not before.
    Shield oath is applied like this

    Damage calculated x (shield oath reduction).
    Stone skins effect uses the final damage calculation.

    If it were before the fact, then defiance would have no effect on Stoneskin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leiron View Post
    Um...no...Stoneskin's effect is after the fact, not before.
    Shield oath is applied like this

    Damage calculated x (shield oath reduction).
    Stone skins effect uses the final damage calculation.

    If it were before the fact, then defiance would have no effect on Stoneskin.
    Are you sure? It makes sense that the damage reduction wouldn't take effect until the damage actually hits Paladin, which it doesn't with Stoneskin.

    Why would Defiance have no effect on Stoneskin otherwise? The HP value is a static value. Buffed Stoneskin is just 18% of Max HP even when combined with Thrill of Battle. What would be a reasonable way to test that theory? Gather the average damage of a normal mob without Shield Oath and then compare it to how many hits it takes to remove Stoneskin. Even if you apply Defensive buffs + Shield Oath if the amount to remove Stoneskin is greater than the calculated shield value then CD's and Shield Oath does effect Damage pre-Paladin Damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge_Xero View Post
    Are you sure? It makes sense that the damage reduction wouldn't take effect until the damage actually hits Paladin, which it doesn't with Stoneskin.
    That sentence was a little confusing.
    Stoneskins damage reduction uses the final damage calculation.
    SO if you normally hit for 10, then use maim to hit for 12, that end damage number of 12 will be used instead of the base 10.
    You can easily test this with weak hitting mobs as well.

    Stoneskin relies on the final damage calculation, it doesn't use the damage from before reduction.
    Stoneskin also utilizes the final HP of the target.
    So if a Warrior has 7k health, then pops ToB for 1400 more health, then whats used for the 18% modifier is the 8400 HP number, and not the 7k nor the 5.4k hp base.

    Test it yourself if you'd like.
    That is the conclusion I came to from using it.
    Always possible I am remembering it wrong since i tested it while back.
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    Last edited by Leiron; 11-03-2013 at 08:36 AM.