Current fix for Warrior is not using Warrior Skills?

[Uliq]

I was curious as to who else came up with this interpretation after the producer said this.

"I believe that a lot of players are using Inner Beast to self-cure when taking a large amount of damage, but after becoming infuriated with five stacks of Wrath, players receive a 15% curing bonus, so instead of using Inner Beast right after taking heavy damage, I think it would be better to wait for heals from a white mage or scholar."

Considering all Warrior skills take all wrath besides Defiance and Infuriate the current fix is to not use warrior abilities at all? And your telling me the class works as intended?

[TenkoKoneko]

Thought he continued on to say to wait for the heal to hit from the healer first then finish off with IB to finish healing to full, instead of using it first, then getting healed without the 15% buff netting lower overall heals done to you. Then rebuild for the next large hit. I could be wrong its been a while since I looked it over and its late.

[Uliq]

It takes 20 seconds to build 5 wrath and 1 move to wipe it out. After you get healed by the healer and you pop inner beast, the healers healing is now back to 100% not the 115% the devs wish us to always have active. The solution is Infuriate correct. But you can only use that every 60 seconds. Say you are hit by a high damaging move that requires you to activate IB after the healers heal. The Healer stress test begins to keep you alive for the 20 seconds (hopefully). Whats gonna stop you from dying from the next impossibly strong attack that will come before your wrath is stacked. The problem isn't the timing of IB. It's the build timing for wrath and it's connection to ALL of wars abilities. War isn't going to always have 5 wrath because they take too much damage to begin with. Average Health level(my speculation) for warrior is 40-55% an entire battle due to the amount of damage they take as MT.(this is with average healers, i.e. not healers used to healing a warrior specifically.)

[Uliq]

And why do all warrior conversations come back to one ability IB? Is that their only ability? Why is it even a Job for this if the only thing it has is IB? Where are the other 5 abilities? Oh yeah, steel cyclone and unchained are absolutely worthless because it's so important to keep your wrath for IB alone. Infuriate only gives you 5 wrath so if not for IB it's be useless as well, and Defiance the static ability that "Increases Enmity." I quote because of it's falsehood that I wish not to discuss.

[Zoomie]

Defiance the static ability that "Increases Enmity." I quote because of it's falsehood that I wish not to discuss.

Are you suggesting that Defiance has no enmity modifier? Or simply that your interpretation of "increased enmity" is that it should be more than making up for the reduced damage?

[Necaust]

I actually hate when Wars run an entire instance without using Wrath; especially lower geared Wars. So many just spam Overpower after reaching 5 stacks.

[Uliq]

I actually hate when Wars run an entire instance without using Wrath; especially lower geared Wars. So many just spam Overpower after reaching 5 stacks.

I've seen this and the problem is more so they can't keep hate off the healer because they are also stating vit. Vit stat+ 25% reduced damage = no enmity. As a Lancer it's easy to pull hate from a warrior stating complete vit, so I'd hate to play with one as any fast attacking class(to include wars spamming overpower.) For those Wars ready to argue this, go back to Stone Vigil and try it before commenting. If it doesn't work during level up what makes you think it'll work at endgame?

[DartFx]

I've seen this and the problem is more so they can't keep hate off the healer because they are also stating vit. Vit stat+ 25% reduced damage = no enmity. As a Lancer it's easy to pull hate from a warrior stating complete vit, so I'd hate to play with one as any fast attacking class(to include wars spamming overpower.) For those Wars ready to argue this, go back to Stone Vigil and try it before commenting. If it doesn't work during level up what makes you think it'll work at endgame?

You're running with bad wars. That is all. I stat full vit, went back to stone vigil to try this(funny enough) nevet lost hate once. Only place I might come even remotely close to losing hate is WP in 2-3 group pulls, and that rarely happens, even when dps has relic +1.

I also doubt the "enmity" produced via defiance. I don't think it's too adjusted to accommodate for the dmg lost.

[Uliq]

Are you suggesting that Defiance has no enmity modifier? Or simply that your interpretation of "increased enmity" is that it should be more than making up for the reduced damage?

The difference of the damage lost and the enmity modifier works off of different bases. While your damage reduction scales with leveling your enmity modifier on defiance doesn't. This is why level 50 PLD deals the same or more damage then warrior. This is also why Warriors (who stat all vit) are complaining they don't hold hate.

BTW - Enmity works as such:
Damage % (primary heal effect or inflicted) = Hate
Hate + Enmity mod = More hate
Damage + Minus enmity mod + enmity mod = Hate

In short. The greater your attack power the greater the loss of enmity. With defiance up and no strength stat your hate levels are the same as any dps while using enmity modifing moves.

[Tiggy]

The difference of the damage lost and the enmity modifier works off of different bases. While your damage reduction scales with leveling your enmity modifier on defiance doesn't. This is why level 50 PLD deals the same or more damage then warrior. This is also why Warriors (who stat all vit) are complaining they don't hold hate.

BTW - Enmity works as such:
Damage % (primary heal effect or inflicted) = Hate
Hate + Enmity mod = More hate
Damage + Minus enmity mod + enmity mod = Hate

In short. The greater your attack power the greater the loss of enmity. With defiance up and no strength stat your hate levels are the same as any dps while using enmity modifing moves.

My personal experience in the coil and in end game dungeons is that your assertion here is incorrect. I plainly get more hate from having Defiance up and I (as a full Vit war) have no problems keeping hate off our Relic+1 Monk and Bard. I'm not sure where you're getting these numbers from, but they must be coming from a poor tank.