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  1. #201
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    Xilrasis's Avatar
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    Xilra Sis
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    There is a ridiculous amount of confirmation bias going on with this mechanic, and much of it from people who have never experienced the false positives that Sonya describes. For that matter, i'm not even sure that anyone has a "true" understanding of how the mechanic works (BG included), but instead some have an understanding of what methods work more consistently than others. Its hard to get a read on how a mechanic truly functions when even the BEST case scenario is (again, as given by BG) an 80-90% success rate over the course of a string of attempts.

    The "oh, you should have KNOWN its a circle" stuff should probably just go ahead and die off. You can relate nearly anything to any other thing in some way, similar to the Forer effect used by psychics. Call out random associations and eventually one is bound to stick. If the solution was to run in a straight line to the northeast, SOMEONE would equate it to "Oh, tornadoes mostly move northeasterly, the solution was SO clear... how did you not get it?"

    The bottom line is that twister as a whole is a questionably designed mechanic, at best, and for a very long time to come even the best farm guilds are going to have nights where they get streaky wipes simply because the method didn't work for an essential raid member at an essential time (read: not a scholar). Using BG's numbers of 80-90% success, assuming only 3/4 targetted people are essential, you are still looking at best a 15% potential kill rate, per attempt, assuming everything else goes flawlessly and you only see 4 twisters. Those odds aren't particularly exciting to me as a raider.
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  2. #202
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    Tsubaki Nakatsu
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rydin View Post
    Look at you... Just when I thought I liked Carraway more (and Fusional A LOT LESS)... Richard... you're my new favorite

  3. #203
    Player Aureliami's Avatar
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    Aurelis Celestine
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    World 2nd kill incoming
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  4. #204
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    Xilra Sis
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    Curious -- did you guys manage to pull a repeat today or still pending?
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  5. #205
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    Carraway Author
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    Excalibur
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilrasis View Post
    Curious -- did you guys manage to pull a repeat today or still pending?
    Had to deal with a lot of extraneous connection issues on our end, so unfortunately, no. Once we realized it wasn't in the cards, we spent the rest of the night working on some new ways to handle earlier parts of the fight.
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  6. #206
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    Rusalka Camenae
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    Gilgamesh
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    Quote Originally Posted by carraway View Post
    Had to deal with a lot of extraneous connection issues on our end, so unfortunately, no. Once we realized it wasn't in the cards, we spent the rest of the night working on some new ways to handle earlier parts of the fight.
    I like how 3 people just liked this post for simply replying to a question, and then saying nothing terribly substantial. How does it feel to know that you could probably make a video of yourself doing the most offensive thing known to man and you would probably get at least 3 likes simply because you beat twintania.
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  7. #207
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    Tyrith Peng
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    Quote Originally Posted by Req View Post
    I like how 3 people just liked this post for simply replying to a question, and then saying nothing terribly substantial. How does it feel to know that you could probably make a video of yourself doing the most offensive thing known to man and you would probably get at least 3 likes simply because you beat twintania.
    Carraway abuses us if we don't like his posts
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  8. #208
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penguin View Post
    Carraway abuses us if we don't like his posts
    So the truth comes out, I always had my suspicions. I certainly wish I had a posse to give everything I say likes to make me feel like my existence in this world has meaning, because you know, likes on the internet mean everything.
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  9. #209
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    Eiko Ceuracanth
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aureliami View Post
    World 2nd kill incoming
    It really depends on what the changes to Phase 2 actually are. I somehow doubt it but the wording on Yoshi P's post could imply tanks that step into conflag will drop threat on Twintania meaning 2nd on the threat table takes the boss until the conflag is dead.
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  10. #210
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    Quote Originally Posted by Req View Post
    I like how 3 people just liked this post for simply replying to a question, and then saying nothing terribly substantial. How does it feel to know that you could probably make a video of yourself doing the most offensive thing known to man and you would probably get at least 3 likes simply because you beat twintania.
    If anyone got a hold of some of the recordings I have of what I've done with my Wide-eyed Fawn...well...
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