Bard Nerfs Offically Confirmed

[Nooblet]

If invigorate goes I will cry.. I can live without b4b(but I'd miss it).

[Aleph_One]

Letter from the Producer LIVE Part IX just confirmed they intend to nerf BRD damage along side the Warrior buffs in 2.1

So to put it simple congratulations, the endless tears of players that can't clear Titan have swayed the Devs into nerfing a class that consistently pulls 2nd to bottom DPS on high level coil parses with competent players. You may have perhaps caused a massive unneeded damage nerf to a useful role in raids.

Discuss why people don't know what they are talking about and why I'm wrong.

They are probably just going to nerf your ability to completely ignore fight mechanics, which is completely reasonable. i wouldn't automatically assume that whatever they do will hurt your damage.

[Woodberry]

They are probably just going to nerf your ability to completely ignore fight mechanics, which is completely reasonable. i wouldn't automatically assume that whatever they do will hurt your damage.

Tell me how bards are ignoring fight mechanics?

[Aleph_One]

Tell me how bards are ignoring fight mechanics?

Is this a statement, or a rhetorical question? Your ability to DPS with impunity is pretty blatant and has been discussed to death; I'm not sure why you're asking me this.

[Woodberry]

Is this a statement, or a rhetorical question? Your ability to DPS with impunity is pretty blatant and has been discussed to death; I'm not sure why you're asking me this.

It is to illustrate bards do not ignore fight mechanics, they still have to move like everyone else. If you are going to make a statement, make the correct one. Bards can do damage while avoiding aoe. This is how they are designed and why they are the current lowest dps class. The only fight they are competing at the top is Titan HM, all other fights they are behind.

There is nothing reasonable about a bard damage nerf. A support nerf, sure. Bards however need a damage buff.

[pandabearcat]

Hello!

On a standstill fight, lasting 10 minutes, if you have a dragoon to provide piercing, BRDs are simming at 4% higher than DRG, in pure potency, with the WD penalty probably dropping them down to maybe 2-5% lower.

If any fight has 3 seconds of disconnect every minute, you should be doing roughly on par damage with a DRG (which is simming slightly above monk atm, because its hard to sim monk rotation).

Without DRG buff, you are simming ~5% lower than DRG, 3% lower than MNK, with WD penalty maybe 8-10% lower.

So...

Bards are certainly competitive but shine in heavy movement.

Bards certainly don't need a buff.

[Mikedizzy]

Let's all just calm down, we don't know what they're gonna do yet. I mean what's the worse they can do? Give us a heal LB?

YEAH!!!! NICE!!!!! I have only ever used that once or twice...so far that has been a waste.
I really think that they will strip us of the Lancer sub class and make it CNJ again...we will lose Blood for Blood will be the biggest loss but will lower the damage that everyone is complaining about. They better not give us cast times on anything...I will frigging lose it. I would even be okay with a slight damage reduction while moving but I think that would be very hard for them to do mechanically in the programming.

[Aleph_One]

It is to illustrate bards do not ignore fight mechanics, they still have to move like everyone else. If you are going to make a statement, make the correct one. Bards can do damage while avoiding aoe. This is how they are designed and why they are the current lowest dps class. The only fight they are competing at the top is Titan HM, all other fights they are behind.

There is nothing reasonable about a bard damage nerf. A support nerf, sure. Bards however need a damage buff.

Mechanic: Having to stop DPS to avoid damage from a boss; make the player decide to either use an ability, or move out of the way.
Mechanic avoidance: Not having to stop DPS in order to avoid damage.

I also didn't state that a damage nerf is warranted/appropriate for BRDs, nor do we even know if that's going to happen.

[Nooblet]

YEAH!!!! NICE!!!!! I have only ever used that once or twice...so far that has been a waste.
I really think that they will strip us of the Lancer sub class and make it CNJ again...we will lose Blood for Blood will be the biggest loss but will lower the damage that everyone is complaining about. They better not give us cast times on anything...I will frigging lose it. I would even be okay with a slight damage reduction while moving but I think that would be very hard for them to do mechanically in the programming.

I'd be ok with a cast time on our dots as someone suggested.. I wouldn't be happy if they put it on more.

[Mikedizzy]

I just saw that there is speculation or hope that they will put cast timer only on "Heavy Shot"...I would be fine with that if that was the only NERF they did. This we would be able to play around no problem.