Is Rage of Halone Overpowered in GLA/PLD's Kit?

[Kitru]

It's not that Rage of Halone is significantly overpowered or over budget, but that Butcher's Block is significantly underpowered/underbudget.

As the end of a 3 skill chain combo it has no real secondary effect other than the class mechanic (wrath) and the very minor potency increase (20 difference from Rage). If you look at pretty much any other job, their "end of combo" skills all have some significant bonus. (with the exception of maybe Full Thrust).

Honestly Butcher's Block should have some secondary effect.

It's not that Butcher's Block is strange because it doesn't have a secondary benefit beyond marginally increased damage; it's that only PLD really has a "primary" combo where the t3 bonus for that attack is anything except for increased damage (though it should be mentioned that RoH actually gets both substantially increased damage as well as a secondary benefit). Snap Punch is just 180 compared to the 130-150 that you get out of the Opo-opo and Raptor form attacks. Greased Lightning isn't unique to it, so that benefit has more in common with Wrath generation than the secondary effect of RoH. Full Thrust for DRG is the same way: straight up big damage with no secondary benefit.

Really, there's much stronger evidence that Rage of Halone is the outlier, as opposed to Butcher's Block. Though it's important to keep in mind what I said at the start of the thread: in order to mix up the PLD rotation with an "inferior" enmity attack that applies a debuff, you've gotta buff RoH's damage by a *crapload* to preserve the enmity/damage balance (and doing so would actually push up PLD damage by ~31 potency per GCD).

As a side note, if Butcher's Block reduced STR by 10% and Rage of Halone did nothing, the 2 jobs would be much closer to being balanced in terms of durability.

The only durability balance that it would really address it accounting for the Shield v. No Shield discrepancy. 10% STR isn't *nearly* large enough to make up for the straight up inferiority of Wrath and the WAR CD suite so you'd still have a *long* way to go even if you did swap it around.

[Leiron]

Which is what stopping to cast flash, or stoneskin, help alleviate.

Warrior's do not get stoneskin, and their MP pool is extremely limited so you really cant cast Flash as often as a Paladin can.
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Some of the differences between tthe classes is odd.

[Ruminate]

Warrior's do not get stoneskin, and their MP pool is extremely limited so you really cant cast Flash as often as a Paladin can.
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Some of the differences between tthe classes is odd.

They do get Inner Beast though. They also have more than enough MP to cast Flash during each downtime after a Berserk.

Aside from super 10+ minute long fights and AoE situations, Warriors shouldn't have any resource problems.

[Paikis]

They do get Inner Beast though. They also have more than enough MP to cast Flash during each downtime after a Berserk.

Aside from super 10+ minute long fights and AoE situations, Warriors shouldn't have any resource problems.

You've never played a Warrior have you?

[Ruminate]

You've never played a Warrior have you?

The fact that you have to ask that tells me you haven't.

[Judge_Xero]

RoH is a bit OP.

To compensate, Butcher's Block should get a 40 Potency DOT that recovers 100% of damage dealt for 10 seconds.

[Jubez187]

RoH is a bit OP.

To compensate, Butcher's Block should get a 40 Potency DOT that recovers 100% of damage dealt for 10 seconds.

Be that as it may, the thread was intended to discuss the power of RoH within the confines of the PAL's kit..not a PAL vs WAR haha

[dark494]

Warrior's do not get stoneskin, and their MP pool is extremely limited so you really cant cast Flash as often as a Paladin can.
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Some of the differences between tthe classes is odd.

Oh I'm sorry, did I misread the thread title? I thought we were talking about gld/pld kits.

[Coramac]

Oh I'm sorry, did I misread the thread title? I thought we were talking about gld/pld kits.

You didn't misread. Many just insist on distorting the OP's very valid point by brining in irrelevant things.

[Fyreus]

When it's worth it to use RoH without the combo bonus?

Before the last update i found it very useful to use it twice on big mobs before going into my combo because of how slow and weak the first hit of the combo is. Most dps will go all out the moment shield lob touches a mob, so it does have some non-combo use.