Can we add some complexity to combat? Skill chains and magic bursts ??

[Hobo]

It seems like everyday someone makes a new thread with I want "XYZ" to be more like FFXI. If you want FFXI go play FFXI.

[busta]

It seems like everyday someone makes a new thread with I want "XYZ" to be more like FFXI. If you want FFXI go play FFXI.

OK. I'll go play 2007 era FFXI when way before it was ruined by casuals and cry babies. Oh, wait. That FFXI doesn't exist anymore.

[Renvalt]

OK. I'll go play 2007 era FFXI when way before it was ruined by casuals and cry babies. Oh, wait. That FFXI doesn't exist anymore.

This comment right here makes me feel like you deem "casuals" as an inferior class of person, and that you would rather they stay out of video games.

Comments like above only serve to reinforce the stereotype that gamers have zero compassion or sensitivity, and that their soul is filled with naught but spite for humanity.

At least, that's how it seems to me.

[busta]

This comment right here makes me feel like you deem "casuals" as an inferior class of person, and that you would rather they stay out of video games.

Comments like above only serve to reinforce the stereotype that gamers have zero compassion or sensitivity, and that their soul is filled with naught but spite for humanity.

At least, that's how it seems to me.

I was actually a casual FFXI player. But I wasn't a cry baby. I enjoyed the fact that everything was so difficult and required a great deal of skill and effort. I didn't whine on forums and talk crap everywhere else when I couldn't get my job to max level in a month or when I couldn't get certain quests done because I didn't have the time to dedicate. FFXI was one of the ONLY games that didn't exclusively cater to casuals.

Nothing is wrong with casuals. But there is something wrong with building every single MMO out there from the ground up specifically for casuals. Casual players aren't the only players. Some people prefer a game where it feels like an alternate world rather than a single player Diablo-style RPG that can be played solo or with friends. Some people enjoy the idea of being high level being an amazing accomplishment rather than something everyone has. Some people enjoy feeling like they have jumped into a second life. The only non-casual focused MMO still out there is Eve Online.

[meldir]

But I wasn't a cry baby. I enjoyed the fact that everything was so difficult and required a great deal of skill and effort. I didn't whine on forums and talk crap everywhere else when I couldn't get my job to max level in a month or when I couldn't get certain quests done because I didn't have the time to dedicate. FFXI was one of the ONLY games that didn't exclusively cater to casuals.

Some people enjoy the idea of being high level being an amazing accomplishment rather than something everyone has. Some people enjoy feeling like they have jumped into a second life. The only non-casual focused MMO still out there is Eve Online.

and the eve community is know because it such a nice community.

tbh when i read you post i feel you have no compassion for anyone bar yourself and i feel the contempt you have for casual's. It scares me

[busta]

and the eve community is know because it such a nice community.

tbh when i read you post i feel you have no compassion for anyone bar yourself and i feel the contempt you have for casual's. It scares me

That's complete nonsense. Quit making completely false accusations. Strawmen tactics aren't real arguments. They are terrible logical fallacies.

I specifically said that there's nothing wrong with casual players and that I am a casual player. Is your reading comprehension level really that low?

My argument is that the vast majority of modern MMO developers completely ignore anyone who isn't a casual and anyone who wants a game that isn't another clone of a Blizzard game. There's a MASSIVE market out there that enjoyed old school FFXI and other games that felt like alternate realities rather than just single player super easy experiences that occasionally can involve some other people.

Edit: And actually, yeah. Eve IS known for having a GREAT community. That's because you need to play with other players to get anywhere in that game so the community is encouraged to be good. That's unlike most modern MMOs where the majority of the game can be solo'd with ease. No community develops because no one needs anyone else to do anything. In FFXIV it's even worse thanks to the DF.

[busta]

It would be kind of like if every developer stopped making 360 and PS3 games and just made Wii party games. That's how us classic MMO lovers feel right now. There's nothing wrong with casual games but if that's all that's out there, a huge chunk of people are going to feel alienated.

[Maoxx]

It would be kind of like if every developer stopped making 360 and PS3 games and just made Wii party games. That's how us classic MMO lovers feel right now. There's nothing wrong with casual games but if that's all that's out there, a huge chunk of people are going to feel alienated.

Huge Chunk.......lol. If anything the people that feel like you do are so minor you might as well be a fart in the wind. Why else do you think Square went the safe route when remaking this game more like the Standard MMO style and less like FFXI? And for that matter why you do think they moved away from the old XI style. If the outcry against XI was so bad that they made it more casual then here's a hint, the amount of people who wanted it that way out numbered the people like you.