[Dev1058] General Job Petetions and Discussion

[Joe_Cool]

but let's not kid ourselves; a guy with a sword in hand should be using it, not be shackled to a weapon he has no skill in while standing in the back row. The fact that all of Red Mage's class specific gear (the notable gear, anyways) was named around the swordsman theme made things that much more confusing, making people like me scratch their heads over why the class got a Duelist's and Estoqueur's set yet had nothing to do with swordsmanship or front line combat at all.

RDM's did use swords, in some solo situations and such.
But in party play, there are *better* DD choices than a mage with a sword.
So they were used as healers/support in party play since their melee skills weren't as good as the samurai, warrior, etc. (and it shouldnt have been better than the melee classes)

[Duelle]

RDM's did use swords, in some solo situations and such.

Solo is meaningless in a game built from the ground up on partying. Swordplay is part of the Red Mage concept, and should be relevant. It wasn't last time, hence why I want that corrected. Magic Fencer implies fencing with magic tied in, not refresh/haste bot.

And I'm not asking for it to be better. I'm asking for it to be a viable choice so that a Red Mage that chooses to use his sword can freely do so instead of limiting it to just being a toy for soloing.

[Nikita]

And I'm not asking for it to be better. I'm asking for it to be a viable choice so that a Red Mage that chooses to use his sword can freely do so instead of limiting it to just being a toy for soloing.

I agree. There were better DD choices other than a RDM, but I never saw red mage as a (pure) DD, it was a jack of all trades. I think RDM should be able to be at the front lines hacking away with a sword (maybe see a return of "en" spells like "enfire"). It can be at front lines doing that, but at the same time, enfeebling, curing, weaving in DPS spells here and there, buffing, whichever the party needs. That's the cool thing about RDM, it can fill a lot of roles (just not as well as a class that focuses all of its abilities on that particular role).

[Duelle]

I agree. There were better DD choices other than a RDM, but I never saw red mage as a (pure) DD, it was a jack of all trades. I think RDM should be able to be at the front lines hacking away with a sword (maybe see a return of "en" spells like "enfire"). It can be at front lines doing that, but at the same time, enfeebling, curing, weaving in DPS spells here and there, buffing, whichever the party needs. That's the cool thing about RDM, it can fill a lot of roles (just not as well as a class that focuses all of its abilities on that particular role).

The way I'd do it is tie enfeebling and front-line utility to melee (along with on-par damage), heals and support to a caster-type RDM and call it a day. Since Matsui is talking about roles attached to jobs, I simply declared what I want RDM to be in this game: a magic fencer.

[Luluna]

Dancer and Bluemage would be nice ^o^

[Duelle]

On the topic of a beastmaster-like class:

Perma-charm/tame. Give the BST-type class a stable of sorts to keep pets in with different strengths and such. At the same time, balance things so that the BST is not forced into using one type of pet only (the "X pet is good and everything else is gimp" thing).

[OMEGA_HACK]

[SIZE="7"]TIME MAGE[/SIZE]
With my pointy star hat and MC Hammer time pants please!

[Bled]

Onion Knight PLOX!!!!!!!!!

[rubina]

It's a stretch, but I would like to see a Puppetmaster type job. I already see those Marmet puppets in Uldah. Oh last night while exploring around, I stumbled across three water elementals. Wish we can play Summoners even if all we had were plain Jane elementals to summon.

[Syrous]

I think Puppetmaster would work great in this game, since the engine can support greater detail a job/class that specialises in customization of a pet could go far, eye candy wise. =) And Summoner is surely coming, there is no way they haven't planned for it to be a playable class, since it's a crowd favorite.