Ff14 A realm unfinished

[Ksenia]

Oh no guys! You heard it here! FF14 is going to die because it has the same basic concepts (Get gear to get better gear. Leveling up. Dungeons and raids!) as every mmo in existence. How dare FF14? How dare it!? It's almost as if.. as if.. it's an mmo! I mean, who would have thought that an mmo is like an mmo? Call the press!

No, not every MMO required end game leveling and gear grind. Just the ones that are trying to replicate WoW was my first MMO expectations. For me, SWG was my first MMO so my expectations are different. I suppose I could twist everything you said with drama queen proclamations but it seems so dreary and elementary.

[Reslin]

No, not every MMO required end game leveling and gear grind. Just the ones that are trying to replicate WoW was my first MMO expectations. For me, SWG was my first MMO so my expectations are different. I suppose I could twist everything you said with drama queen proclamations but it seems so dreary and elementary.

I played SWG too however you're comparing apples and oranges. SWG was a sandbox mmorpg. They cater to a completely different audience. If your enjoyment comes from sandbox rpgs then FF14 isn't for you. This is not an attack. This is not a bash. Sandbox rpgs is more about doing what you feel like and being a part of the world around you. MMORPG's such as WoW etc are about progression and becoming more powerful. Sadly there's not enough good Sandbox mmo's out there. I prefer both types.

However, this game will never be a sandbox mmorpg. Different genre of mmorpgs.

[Vanidin]

Players will always be able to clear content faster than it can be developed. This is true in every single mmo, I don't understand why this is so hard to understand. Story, art, design, programming, testing, balancing...it takes months if not longer to develop content yet what happens every single time a new dungeon or system is released? The elite players clear dungeons/fights in weeks, the competent players within the next month of two and then it's all on farm and they complain there isn't enough content. Meanwhile the dev's are furiously grinding away on creating the next piece of content. The only time it doesn't play out this way is when the content is setup such that it takes a minimum time to complete (such as mythology tomes) but then what happens? They complain that the content takes too long to beat or is too grindy.

Also: What's the obsession with pvp in mmo's... it's (almost) never any good and the only way to balance it is to break balance for the other 95% of the game. If you like pvp so much go play a game designed for pvp. (That's what I do)

[William_Conroy]

Why is it that whenever I see one of these posts complaining about lack of content the OP has like nothing but one or two classes leveled?

It's like using warps to get through Super Mario Bros. and complaining that the game only has 5 levels.

Grinding fates or spamming a macro to level crafting is not content. Its boring grind... which is the very LACK of content.

[CatofNineTails]

If we are talking about launch endgame content zilart didnt even come out till damn near a year after its release and what us Americans got was not vanilla ffxi

this game is three years old not right out of the box the world cities and most of the lore mobs and quests existed BEFORE the 2 year revamp. so excusing the pathetic excuse for endgame content as "its launch" is BS.

seriously the pinnacle of the game as Yoshi keeps eluding to endgame being the start of the game which leads only to a repetitive dungeon grind is about as underwhelming as endgame can possibly be made. there is NO story to it (they return: Avatars HM) is a joke. that is not endgame its a pathetic cop out to not have to create what Final Fantasy is renown for "interesting story" they had 2 years to work out content for the 50+ but they decided to make it bland dungeon grinding for useless equipment upgrades because theres
no reason to even have that equipment no story or goal to use it on.

[Reslin]

this game is three years old not right out of the box the world cities and most of the lore mobs and quests existed BEFORE the 2 year revamp. so excusing the pathetic excuse for endgame content as "its launch" is BS.

seriously the pinnacle of the game as Yoshi keeps eluding to endgame being the start of the game which leads only to a repetitive dungeon grind is about as underwhelming as endgame can possibly be made. there is NO story to it (they return: Avatars HM) is a joke. that is not endgame its a pathetic cop out to not have to create what Final Fantasy is renown for "interesting story" they had 2 years to work out content for the 50+ but they decided to make it bland dungeon grinding for useless equipment upgrades because theres
no reason to even have that equipment no story or goal to use it on.

It's an mmo made in the vein of modern mmo's. This is how mmo's work. This is what most people want. Most people do not care about the leveling process. Most people want to experience end game and progress their characters to the maximum and beyond. No one wants to spend years doing tedious grinding in order to level up anymore. Most people who play mmo's don't care much for story either. Me? I enjoyed the story but I also enjoy mmo's. I play mmo's to make my character stronger and then use that gear to get better gear.

[calamityz]

Grinding fates or spamming a macro to level crafting is not content. Its boring grind... which is the very LACK of content.

Sorry but the sheep can't recognize fodder from horseshit.

[Ri_ri]

It had everything that I just said it had.

Two 40-man raids: Molten Core and Onyxia.
Six dungeons: Scholomance, UBRS, LBRS, Living Strath, UD Strath, and, if you're going to count WP as endgame for FFXIV, then you have to count BRD for WoW.
And PvP.

I hate new WoW. You know, the version of WoW that YoshiP tried to copy.

Says the person geared with all the currency gear he can get, the only dungeon drop being a ring.

What do I gain by doing Cape Westwind after I beat the story? You can completely skip Cutter's Cry for example unless that's one of the new promotion quests. It's not that people disregard its existence, it's the fact some things said to be content is by large one time content only or stuff you repeat for leveling (guildleves) or side stuff you'll never honestly need or want to do.

"The numerically efficient" content are content that you actually would do multiple times. Even Guildhests have no purpose after you do it initially since you lose the completion bonus exp and repeating it is slower than just doing 1 "talk to NPC1 then NPC2 and profit" quest.

As of now I've never honestly seen anyone want to put together a party to do Cape Westwind for the heck of it.

Then you're talking about "lack of ways to advance my character", not lack of content.

All this talk reminds me that "content" became a thing when WoW has done away with attunements and brought currency gear.

[CatofNineTails]

It's an mmo made in the vein of modern mmo's. This is how mmo's work. This is what most people want.

yeah people want useless grinding thats why the forums are so full of threads saying how fulfilling the endgame is.

[Reslin]

yeah people want useless grinding thats why the forums are so full of threads saying how fulfilling the endgame is.

Really? Last I checked it's the same few people with mostly people disagreeing. As well as many people who don't know that these same topics pop up in every mmo out there. I also see people complaining about how at launch there was lag and server ques. That was really hilarious. It's almost as if these people never played another mmo before. XD