[Guide] Paladin Tanking Compendium 2.0

[Pixelshader]

In light of this table and this being the "optimal parry/accuracy" build, might I suggest you edit your top page gear list so that best in slot adds up to this set?

Added both tables for everyone's convenience. Thank you for the suggestion.

[PiedPiper]

Added both tables for everyone's convenience. Thank you for the suggestion.

Word ^^ I came back to this thread looking for that table exactly haha. Glad you made it. Lets me know where to spend my next set of mythic pionts in nice clear lay out. (Currently have +1 sword/shield, valor head/body + allagan belt and ring).

Do you have the numbers on vitality returns? I'm pretty sure its not linear (like always the same amount of hp per vit). I really wanna know what the cap is for pld hp (give or take a few points based on race, ofc).

[Pixelshader]

Word ^^ I came back to this thread looking for that table exactly haha. Glad you made it. Lets me know where to spend my next set of mythic pionts in nice clear lay out. (Currently have +1 sword/shield, valor head/body + allagan belt and ring).

Do you have the numbers on vitality returns? I'm pretty sure its not linear (like always the same amount of hp per vit). I really wanna know what the cap is for pld hp (give or take a few points based on race, ofc).

Not a problem.

I have not received any information stating it is not linear. I am aware that block rates are in 40 point tiers, outside of that I have no reason to believe there are diminishing returns on VIT. Also gear at comparable ilvls have the same vit, its only when you walk into crafting HQs that there are caps of some sort.

[PiedPiper]

Not a problem.

I have not received any information stating it is not linear. I am aware that block rates are in 40 point tiers, outside of that I have no reason to believe there are diminishing returns on VIT. Also gear at comparable ilvls have the same vit, its only when you walk into crafting HQs that there are caps of some sort.

My current vitality in party without food is 488. There is no whole number which generates the amount of hp I have (61xx). If it was 12 hp/vit, I'd have 5856, if it was 13 I'd have 6344. Would need to be something like 12.6hp/vit to be linear. I noticed, however, that when I changed food one night (difference between foods was 1 vit), i lost 9 hp (at which point total would be 4392).

I'm not sure what you mean about the hq gear. I'm curious what maximum hp for paladin is assuming you ahve full ilvl90, so yes I know it doesn't matter if you get heros/valor/allagan for this calculation.

Nice thing about this is, if you are using full i90 tank gear, you will still reach this value whether it is Allagan/AF2. I don't remember seeing any gear piece that had differing values for STR/VIT, just the secondary stats.

That is a nice thing about how they've done these tiers. Personally I can't wait till I get my mythic upgrade next week, cus I'll finally have 6khp without party and 5khp while weakened :>

[symba]

I don't think people should prioritize BiS gear right now, getting i90 over i70 is an upgrade in itself. Priorities should be reaching accuracy cap/ilvl 90 gear, if it happens to be that you get BiS gear then awesome, however if you get the allagan chestpiece on turn 1 in your first run there's no need for the valor chestpiece. Plus you might aswell get the valor coronet due t it being a huge upgrade over i60 (and allagan not dropping til turn5). Overhitting the accuracy cap isn't great however having extra accuracy is much better than not having enough. You miss out on small amounts of parry/determination for this accuracy. While it's not optimal, the str/vit on each piece of gear definitely is.

Edit: Best vit food is Sauteed Coeurl atm. Which I'd say is much better than HQ La Noscean toast.

[Lucavern]

I don't think people should prioritize BiS gear right now, getting i90 over i70 is an upgrade in itself. Priorities should be reaching accuracy cap/ilvl 90 gear, if it happens to be that you get BiS gear then awesome, however if you get the allagan chestpiece on turn 1 in your first run there's no need for the valor chestpiece. Plus you might aswell get the valor coronet due t it being a huge upgrade over i60 (and allagan not dropping til turn5). Overhitting the accuracy cap isn't great however having extra accuracy is much better than not having enough. You miss out on small amounts of parry/determination for this accuracy. While it's not optimal, the str/vit on each piece of gear definitely is.

Edit: Best vit food is Sauteed Coeurl atm. Which I'd say is much better than HQ La Noscean toast.

The problem with Sauteed Coeurl is the secondary stats. La Noscean Toast is listed as the best food for that build because that build is optimizing Parry/Accuracy as has been stated. Sauteed Coeurl does not offer Parry, and as such is not an optimized food choice for that build. And yes Sauteed Couerl has a slightly higher max VIT gain (3 difference comparing the NQs), but it has Skill Speed as its primary secondary stat (Accuracy bonus caps at 9 NQ). I don't know if I would ever choose Sauteed Couerl because of that fact alone.

As for the gear, it depends on your personal situation. If you are only leveling/focusing on one job for Myth, then you are right about getting upgrades when available. But if you are looking at optimizing your Myth usage, or being able to only get BiS myth gear before starting to get BiS myth gear for your 2nd/3rd/etc job, then you don't want to buy unnecessary myth items.

[symba]

I was speaking about a main job yeah, my bad I'd not taken into account people with other jobs that are trying to gear multiple.
I'd still say Sauteed Coeurl was better, you're trading 5 Vitality for 23 Parry, then you've got the skill speed on top. Depending on how the game rounds, HQ Finger toast could be better too according to the stats on the initial post (22.84 parry vs 23 parry/15.45 vit vs 14 vit). With cost not being a factor I'd probably go with finger toast over la noscean due to this being min/max.

[Pixelshader]

I don't think people should prioritize BiS gear right now, getting i90 over i70 is an upgrade in itself. Priorities should be reaching accuracy cap/ilvl 90 gear, if it happens to be that you get BiS gear then awesome, however if you get the allagan chestpiece on turn 1 in your first run there's no need for the valor chestpiece. Plus you might aswell get the valor coronet due t it being a huge upgrade over i60 (and allagan not dropping til turn5). Overhitting the accuracy cap isn't great however having extra accuracy is much better than not having enough. You miss out on small amounts of parry/determination for this accuracy. While it's not optimal, the str/vit on each piece of gear definitely is.

Edit: Best vit food is Sauteed Coeurl atm. Which I'd say is much better than HQ La Noscean toast.

I don't see a reason not to be extremely precise and conservative with your myth purchases. If you have an item that is not i90 and it is a myth slot as specified in the table and your focus is to maximize parry there is absolutely no reason to not buy it. The only situation someone may run into that would contradict this is if they get alagan legs. At that point they have to come up with their own shopping list and optimize gear on their own.

[PiedPiper]

The only situation someone may run into that would contradict this is if they get alagan legs. At that point they have to come up with their own shopping list and optimize gear on their own.

Allagan body/legs drop? Pass them off on the other tank in exchange for priroity on next drop, cus they're trash :P Esepcially the legs.

That said, valor boots and allagan leggins isn't *horrible.*

As to why people might want to go BiS... coil drops and myth stones are massive time investments. It would suck to get the point where you are full ilvl90 and look back and realize you could be that much better if you had just shown a litlte more <foresight>.

OP also has a good point. As much as I love my paladin, once I've bought all he BiS items on pld, I want to +1 my Omnilex rather than continue investing such a finite resource in sup-optimal gear.

[Lucavern]

Do you have the numbers on vitality returns? I'm pretty sure its not linear (like always the same amount of hp per vit). I really wanna know what the cap is for pld hp (give or take a few points based on race, ofc).

Based on what I found when I was testing this, it looks like each point of additional VIT from gear is 14.5, rounded down. This was with 30vit allocated for the bonus stats. I did not see any deviations from this when I equipped gear one-at-a-time from naked. Only thing I did not test that I can think of was if the value changes based on iLVL of main-hand weapon, though I highly doubt that would be the case. Would be easy to test, just buy a no-stat lvl 1 sword and your HP should drop by ( [MH.VIT] * 14.5 ) rounded down.

There is no whole number which generates the amount of hp I have (61xx). If it was 12 hp/vit, I'd have 5856, if it was 13 I'd have 6344. Would need to be something like 12.6hp/vit to be linear. I noticed, however, that when I changed food one night (difference between foods was 1 vit), i lost 9 hp (at which point total would be 4392).

To find the correct VIT:HP ratios, I did the following. Remove all equipment and put a lvl1 sword in mainhand with no additional VIT. Note your current max HP and VIT totals. Equipping any piece of my gear increased my max HP by 14.5hp/vit rounded down for displayed value. The VIT:HP ratio does not hold true for values under the base VIT/HP totals.

Looking back at it, I did not account for the bonus 30vit in my initial HP calculations. I don't feel like unspeccing my PLD stats though atm to test what the base HP is without them. If there are any PLD that are 30 STR, or even 15/15 and want to provide HP values on a lvl 50 PLD naked with a lvl 1 sword, I can more accurately calculate this value.