HM Titan Fight

[silentwindfr]

@ChickenEvil: some point i can't let you say, without react:
- an healer in full DL with garuda weapon can't solo heal this fight! it's impossible especially in p5. where the tank take huge damage and the group too.
- a tank, especially the paladin, will never be able to pull a good dps enough, the group will need to build LB bar, means attack in auto-attack for more of 5 minutes. war can almost get a decent dps, by using heitaros armor and garuda axe, but it will not be amazing.

finally do you realize that you put it to the same level than a fight that is 2 tier later? i means titan is Ilevel 70, BC is ilevel 90, you have CT between the two! is not even as difficult as the turn 1, no, is as hard than turn 2 or 3....

@NarwhalShadowsun: indeed the fight is not extremely complex, the trouble is the difficulty. the fact that any error will lead you to your doom. when is not even the last tier of fight, you have bahamut coil and crystal tower after!

ps: the most scary about this... is they have planned to release an extreme version of this fight... personally i don't see how they can make this fight harder, exept increase the stat for cover the equipement player will have. as it is, this fight is already demanding and punishing enough for be the extreme version.

ohhh before i forget, if you talk of this fight while doing it with people using relic, ilevel 90 stuff it's loose all credibility, this fight is means to be done in DL and with garuda weapon.

[ChickensEvil]

@silentwindfr: But the fight isn't 0 room for error. Trust me, I see people get hit by bombs and plumes all the time and we still survive and make it through. Is it harder on the healers? sure. But it is still not a 0 room for error. The only ability that has near 0 room for error is landslide. Plumes only hit that level if A: you are way under health, or B: are stacking the plumes in the middle (in which you just made that mechanic have 0 room for error by using that strat).

Also, it should be clarified that the reason it was 1 healable for us, was because A: we had a very competent SCH (I don't know what is with all the SCH hate, because he was amazing in that fight, however yes, in order to solo heal you would need to be Full DL + garuda which is substantially over geared for that fight, why? because that was exactly what the healer had... so don't tell me it is "impossible"). B: we had very competent DPS on that attempt and I don't remember seeing anyone take unnecessary damage in P5 (this is huge because the healer gets to just focus on the considerable damage hitting the tank). C: DPS was helping to mitigate the damage on the tank... honestly this should be happening no matter what, but I am sure this helped out to solo heal it as well. Virus and Rain of Death are AMAZING for this fight, if you are running with a SCH or BLM and they are not using this (or in the case of the BLM doesn't have it) then shame on them. And I would never do Titan without at least 1 BRD.

Sorry that you have been running with shit healers, but it isn't impossible when I have seen it. (Honestly, I didn't realize how good a SCH could be until I ran with our FC healer, so I can understand to some level your skepticism).

And, no I didn't put it on the same level as BC, I said that it was "easier" to some degree. But they are challenging in different ways... hence the quotes around easy. Turn 2 is a tank fight more than anything, so they didn't tax the dps too hard because they wanted the tanks to not be stupid. Whereas tanking on titan is a huge snorefest. In case you wanted to know here is how to tank titan:


Considering you can outgear Titan to the point where people are 5 manning the dungeon, I have to go with, it isn't as hard as BC, overall.

[Taruranto]

Titan is hard because people don't bother memorizing the patterns. Sure, lag is a problem, i won't deny it, but once you get past it, it's ALL about pattern. Gods know how many healers I saw not pre-casting succor/medica or use skills as SS before P5 stomps. That's why so many people want 3 healers for Titan, not because it reduces "the stress on healers on p5", but because many of them just don't know the fight.

Once you get past the heart, if at least 2 or 3 of your DPS are semi-competent you should be able to do it, provide your and the other healer are capable. I run Titan daily for random shouts and I've helped over 20 groups. I did it with 2 sch, war tank, 2 tank, and all the kind of combinations, DPS fall and die in P5 all the time, but I generally manage to keep to keep the remaining members afloat.

Honestly, at this point i find Ifrit and his freacking annoying 2h much harder.

[Errant]

Some people just don't care enough to solve their problem areas. If they have trouble with bombs and plumes, they should be using the pattern guide to expect when they occur and be ready to deal with it in advance. Everything in this fight can be solved by better preparation. Like any MMO raid content, we the players are usually the biggest cockblock.

It's definitely a healer fight and if your healers came unprepared for P5 there's no way to beat him.

[kristerrr86]

More servers should start dedicated linkshell for Titan like we have on Odin, we one shot him for free for people many times every day.

Can you invite me to your Linkshell plz?

[HiliteOrin]

I'd honestly be upset if they nerfed this fight, as I think it provides an actual challenge while not being over the top in difficulty. The only people I have sympathy for are those with latency issues and such, as they have a much harder time dealing with plumes. Other than that, what's the problem here? The fight is very straightforward, with an ability rotation that is memorizable.

The only thing that needs to be changed is the mentality of the playerbase trying to Duty Finder the fight. If you're going to go that route, people need to get comfortable with the fact that they're likely gonna wipe several times while people are learning the fight. Additionally, people need to stop using Duty Finder for things when their gear is terrible in hopes of being carried. This is a general statement not directed at anyone in this thread, but it's a video game...stop being lazy and get some pieces of Darklight/AK gear and an Ifrit or Garuda weapon. If people would learn to be more patient and actually put in the time to get themselves geared up better, DF groups would be better overall.

[Angelwatch]

I bought my run (and lived through the whole thing too despite some of "their" people not surviving).

I had a group that wiped at 1% (that was heartbreaking) and again at 10%. After the 10% wipe, the group broke up. When I saw someone was offering the run for 50K less than normal pricesI just bought it. One day I'll go back and do it the right way but after the wipe at 1% I just couldn't do it again. While I'm not satisfied at how I got my Relic, I needed that stupid Relic to do my job properly in the rest of the game. A Relic Paladin holding aggro over a Non-Relic Paladin is night and day.

As for the fight, it's really hard as the tank. First of all, premades only need 1 Tank and if there are multiple tanks looking for the fight, it's hard (to impossible) to find a group. It's one of the only fights where Tanks aren't in demand. The second thing is that there is almost nothing I can do to help the group succeed (outside of advice). After meeting a certain gear level, people either avoid mechanics and do their job or we wipe. As the tank I sit in the same spot for 99% of the whole fight (or close to it), focus on my rotation and pray that everyone else doesn't lag out at a bad time and can dodge the stuff. It wasn't fun for me at all.

One day I'll go back and finish the fight the "real" way. But for now I'm just happy I don't have to worry about it.

[Xbob42]

It's really hard as the tank. First of all, premades only need 1 Tank and if there's multiple tanks looking for the fight, it's hard to find a group. It's one of the only fights where Tanks aren't in demand.

Yeah, it's really ironic, the actual fight is really easy on tanks, but it's one of the hardest fights for us to get into unless we spend hours assembling our own group. (Or you have a good FC.)

[paradigmfellow]

Nothing in Coil (pre-Twintania) is harder.

Caduceus is hard.

[Xbob42]

Cacetus is hard.

I'd imagine "Cacetus" is much much harder, as you can't kill something that doesn't exist!

Unless you're talking about Caduceus, in which case, no, not even close. Caduceus is a super easy, super lenient fight. You can screw up so many times and still beat him.