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    ^^^
    Substantial doesn't mean outrageous, dumb and ridiculous as what you are suggesting. FF11 had xp loss to the point you can de-level. Weakness had a much bigger timer and much more detrimental effect that would stack every death. Dying was horrible and made every tough fight something to sweat over. It made people into better players.

    What everyone here is asking for is making the game stupidly and boringly simple, this food persistence request is another layer of a pointless game mechanic to cater to those who want the reward without the risk or work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluerei View Post
    What everyone here is asking for is making the game stupidly and boringly simple, this food persistence request is another layer of a pointless game mechanic to cater to those who want the reward without the risk or work.
    You seem to miss the point. The risk versus reward of food isn't there. It gives you a nearly negligible amount of stats, and it costs a ridiculous amount of gil. even without relying on even 1 star foods they cost 3-5k gil. It basically adds a 5k gil death penalty to every time you die. That isn't even remotely close to the value they give, which is the biggest problem.

    If the game was supposed to have a more substantial death penalty, it should be everpresent, not as something that basically makes culinarian useless job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hachiko View Post
    You seem to miss the point. The risk versus reward of food isn't there. It gives you a nearly negligible amount of stats, and it costs a ridiculous amount of gil. even without relying on even 1 star foods they cost 3-5k gil. It basically adds a 5k gil death penalty to every time you die. That isn't even remotely close to the value they give, which is the biggest problem.

    If the game was supposed to have a more substantial death penalty, it should be everpresent, not as something that basically makes culinarian useless job.
    Not missing the point at all. Keep the risk there. Don't want to lose on 5k? Then prepare yourself before battle and try to survive to the best you can. Don't eat it if you feel you'll die. That's what I'm saying. This suggestion is taking out another consequence of dying, in which death already is more of an annoyance than a consequence in this game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluerei View Post
    Not missing the point at all. Keep the risk there. Don't want to lose on 5k? Then prepare yourself before battle and try to survive to the best you can. Don't eat it if you feel you'll die. That's what I'm saying. This suggestion is taking out another consequence of dying, in which death already is more of an annoyance than a consequence in this game.
    It's not taking out a consequence for dying. It's taking out any incentive to use food. It makes absolutely no sense. For crafting / gathering food it's fine because you aren't expected to die due to the cost. For combat food it isn't fine. The only time it's of any use in combat is progression content, and then you'll be dying too often for it to be economical. It's flat out stupid that it doesn't persist on death, particularly given what it does.

    Ultimately you aren't giving the game a meaningful death penalty, you're just making sure there won't be a market for combat culinarian crafts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluerei View Post
    ^^^
    Substantial doesn't mean outrageous, dumb and ridiculous as what you are suggesting. FF11 had xp loss to the point you can de-level. Weakness had a much bigger timer and much more detrimental effect that would stack every death. Dying was horrible and made every tough fight something to sweat over. It made people into better players.

    What everyone here is asking for is making the game stupidly and boringly simple, this food persistence request is another layer of a pointless game mechanic to cater to those who want the reward without the risk or work.
    Risk of work eh?
    While I understand your point I do not agree on foods, it's only a small little stats increase.

    Whereas the price for them is quite high.

    I don't care if we lose the food buff on death/D'C if you know you're going to die don't use food or use les expensive food.

    Now asking for food buff to stay after death is in my opinion not needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluerei View Post
    Substantial doesn't mean outrageous, dumb and ridiculous as what you are suggesting. FF11 had xp loss to the point you can de-level.
    Sounds like some casual nonsense to me, better make it so you need to go loot your corpse or you might lose everything you have. Then you tack on the EXP loss, and maybe, MAYBE then you're worthy to grind out some pixels in a REAL MMO. I don't think anyone's ever done that, and if they have I'm sure it was a system that was so widely loved that it persisted and spread amongst all the MMOs of the world because of what a good idea it was.

    But no, seriously, we're both just having a laugh here right? Right?
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