SCH DPS > SMN DPS?

[LostCody]

If scholars had an offensive pet, I could see them giving smn a run for its money.
Also, whats interesting is, SCH does have a much bigger mana pool, so I can see them being better in instances where the smn is oom.

even if sch got the same pets as a smn garuda,titan,ifrit then it would be a festerless smn.
fester is 1 of smn best spells and only reliable burst outside of rouse,spur enkindle combo(which is also only available too smn)and over a long fight and even during adds the lack of fester would be noticeable.
even with the combo and fester smn is still lackluster when it comes too burst and it only allows smn too get by barely when it comes down too certain phases were a lot of damage is needed quickly.
so even if what you say is true why would anyone pick a gimped smn who might do more base damage but has a more serious burst problem over lets say a full smn or blm?

[AylaYukihana]

it would be a festerless smn.
...do more base damage but has a more serious burst problem over lets say a full smn or blm?

Been over this, Aero AND Energy Drain is worth the difference of lacking Fester over a long duration (its even better). If you talk about burst, whats the time scale? 10 seconds? In 10 seconds, 3 energy drain in cleric stance is worth 495 potency, requiring no setup of 3 DoTs to burst. In that time window, a SMN would need 7.5s to setup 3 dots. Fester has a 10s cooldown.

Now how about AOE? SCH dots do 10% extra damage without needing raging strikes. Bane these dots, shadowflare, then tab spam aero. What's a SMN gonna do after Bane/Shadowflare, tab spam Ruin? That is heaps weaker in potency compared to Aero for the same GCD.

Enkindle is nice, but 300s cooldown is too long. Over long term it contributes very little to overall dps.

ps. SMN isn't wanted for burst, if ppl absolutely need short term burst, they go with BLM.

[LostCody]

ps. SMN isn't wanted for burst, if ppl absolutely need short term burst, they go with BLM.
Aero AND Energy Drain is worth the difference of lacking Fester over a long duration (its even better).
3 energy drain in cleric stance is worth 495 potency, requiring no setup of 3 DoTs to burst. In that time window, a SMN would need 7.5s to setup 3 dots. Fester has a 10s cooldown.

lets ignore everything else for a second.
what made you think I said smn is wanted for burst?
I even said twice that smn has pretty bad burst. please actually read my post before giving me a p.s.

so your planning on just using energy drain and aero?your going too setup those dots anyway.
also if what you say is true then 3 energy drains and a aero= 1 fester.
then first off,energy drain is on a 3 sec independent cd so 3=9seconds 1 off from a fester but uses all your aether too equal 1 aether charge of a single fester,which you then can use 2 more times while your 3 other energy drains are waiting for aetherflow for 50 more seconds.
lets go too the best case scenario for your burst,a small weak add like a feather plume or something similar.yeah your right it would burst down the target faster then it would for smn too setup.but anything with more hp,you would do your damage be out of aether then have too setup anyway too finish him off and by that time a smn would have already set up and be on his 2 fester already wrecking your burst.
even if there were no decent hp adds,were there is 1 small add there are many...then what?

Bane is something a sch cant have access too and is even better if your spread with contagion,the ability too spread that amount of damage with only needing too setup on 1 target not only does a ton of damage but also lets you..yes spam more ruins then you could if you had too dot everyone one of them individually.
so any questions?

[azethoth]

Bane is something a sch cant have access too and is even better if your spread with contagion,the ability too spread that amount of damage with only needing too setup on 1 target not only does a ton of damage but also lets you..yes spam more ruins then you could if you had too dot everyone one of them individually.
so any questions?

Actually yes. Did you just say a SCH does not get Bane?


EDIT:
As for ACN vs SMN. I tested a while back and ACN dots > SMN dots because of Aero. Carbunkle was ~20 damage less at the time than Garuda for their 3 second skill. Back when I had ~404 int on my ACN, ACN Dots were ~100 more damage a tick, more so with Internal Release and RS, saw dot crits in the area of ~500 a tick. I do not have Blood for Blood yet, too lazy to get 2 more levels on DRG.
Honestly I wish SMN could sub CNJ for aero. Note the tool tip says SMN can use it. Aero constant up time should be greater than anything RS can provide. I would honestly Prefer Blood for Blood as it has a lower cool down.