SCH DPS > SMN DPS?

[Ragingfungus]

Smn gets fester spur enkindle raging strikes and a better dps pet. scholar gets cleric stance and aero.
summoner wins but not by as much a margin as I think they should.

[Garnatian]

SMN has Fester and a pet that actually does DPS.

/thread

[Ardan]

Unless the summoner is horribly undergeared, there is no circumstance that scholar would do more damage. Summoner has spur, rouse, enkindle, fester and damage focused pets. Cleric stance alone will not put scholar on top.

[KaisaaVonFaust]

Can anyone explain to me what really did happen to all the SMNs when the game first started? There was so many!

[glim]

Can anyone explain to me what really did happen to all the SMNs when the game first started? There was so many!

dot classes are unpopular, it's why warlocks are the least played class in WoW despite having the highest dps in the current raid content. (besides monk, but monks are new and only appeared in the latest expansion)

dots feel 'slow' and nukes makes you feel powerful.

[Kevee]

-Fester is 55-60 DPS

- Raging Strikes is a ~3% personal DPS increase, but for the 20s it's up it's a very big increase.

-SMN pet is ~60-90 DPS.

-Contagion.


Yeah, he's wrong, because Cleric Stance will most likely only account for the base INT difference between SCH/SMN, and Aero will be ~35 DPS, max.

So how do they make up for the other lost 100 DPS?

[KaisaaVonFaust]

I made this thread for him so i hope he comes here and tries to explain himself instead of me relaying messages. I am making a summoner now myself just so i can prove it! haha

[Aethyriel]

really the only argument you could possibly bring up would be the support pet in a raid setting and the overall grp dps being higher because of it when you dps as SCH instead of a SMN. Other than that I don't see it and I just stumbled on this thread and only play smn/Sch for fun so I don't really care enough to do the actual math =s

[AylaYukihana]

Yeah, he's wrong, because Cleric Stance will most likely only account for the base INT difference between SCH/SMN, and Aero will be ~35 DPS, max.

So how do they make up for the other lost 100 DPS?

It's not that simple. Cleric stance is a 10% boost on all spells.

Its not Fester vs nothing. It's Fester vs Energy Drain, or rather, 300 vs 165 potency (150 x 10% cleric stance).

It's all the DoTs that smn has, as well as Ruin spam, multiplied by 10% and add Aero. Also probably add Thunder too, because with Energy Drain spam, a SCH wont have MP issues and can afford to spam Thunder in the rotation.

Finally, Selene also has a 30% spell speed buff thats up 1/2 the time. Its around a 10% reduction in GCD times.

It all comes down to: is all that enough versus the ~66 dps of Garuda? Probably not.. then factor this: Selene buffs the entire PT's dps by ~10%. Is THAT enough? Probably is!

[glim]

@Ayla

selene's buff doesn't increase everyone's dps by 10%, for me personally fey glow only decreases my spellspeed by 0.14, that's around 140 spellspeed every 30 seconds, or 70 average spellspeed. 70 spellspeed is not a 10% dps increase, and even when considering the entire party, I'm confident that the 66 dps of garuda out dpses this marginal increase and even when compared to the whole party, it's basically just giving .56 total cast decrease to the raid as a whole (not each). (spellspeed ep value is really low for every class)

high int from items > cleric stance

my scholar hits 160 ruins with cleric stance and the arcanist 30 int, with all the possible int items ie. jewelries, my summoner hits 200 damage ruins

scholars cannot out dps summoners, but it's a lot closer than I thought.