SCH DPS > SMN DPS?

[Ragingfungus]

Smn gets fester spur enkindle raging strikes and a better dps pet. scholar gets cleric stance and aero.
summoner wins but not by as much a margin as I think they should.

[Garnatian]

SMN has Fester and a pet that actually does DPS.

/thread

[Ardan]

Unless the summoner is horribly undergeared, there is no circumstance that scholar would do more damage. Summoner has spur, rouse, enkindle, fester and damage focused pets. Cleric stance alone will not put scholar on top.

[KaisaaVonFaust]

Can anyone explain to me what really did happen to all the SMNs when the game first started? There was so many!

[glim]

Can anyone explain to me what really did happen to all the SMNs when the game first started? There was so many!

dot classes are unpopular, it's why warlocks are the least played class in WoW despite having the highest dps in the current raid content. (besides monk, but monks are new and only appeared in the latest expansion)

dots feel 'slow' and nukes makes you feel powerful.

[Kevee]

-Fester is 55-60 DPS

- Raging Strikes is a ~3% personal DPS increase, but for the 20s it's up it's a very big increase.

-SMN pet is ~60-90 DPS.

-Contagion.


Yeah, he's wrong, because Cleric Stance will most likely only account for the base INT difference between SCH/SMN, and Aero will be ~35 DPS, max.

So how do they make up for the other lost 100 DPS?

[AylaYukihana]

Yeah, he's wrong, because Cleric Stance will most likely only account for the base INT difference between SCH/SMN, and Aero will be ~35 DPS, max.

So how do they make up for the other lost 100 DPS?

It's not that simple. Cleric stance is a 10% boost on all spells.

Its not Fester vs nothing. It's Fester vs Energy Drain, or rather, 300 vs 165 potency (150 x 10% cleric stance).

It's all the DoTs that smn has, as well as Ruin spam, multiplied by 10% and add Aero. Also probably add Thunder too, because with Energy Drain spam, a SCH wont have MP issues and can afford to spam Thunder in the rotation.

Finally, Selene also has a 30% spell speed buff thats up 1/2 the time. Its around a 10% reduction in GCD times.

It all comes down to: is all that enough versus the ~66 dps of Garuda? Probably not.. then factor this: Selene buffs the entire PT's dps by ~10%. Is THAT enough? Probably is!

[Kevee]

Its not Fester vs nothing. It's Fester vs Energy Drain, or rather, 300 vs 165 potency (150 x 10% cleric stance).

60-90 + [(55~60)/1.8] = Roughly 100 DPS less, base.

SCH having less int + cleric's stance is no where close to that, and selene's buff is garbage.

Not to mention Cleric Stance does nothing for SF.

And spell speed is virtually useless for SMN.

[Vmage]

It's not that simple. Cleric stance is a 10% boost on all spells.

Its not Fester vs nothing. It's Fester vs Energy Drain, or rather, 300 vs 165 potency (150 x 10% cleric stance).

It's all the DoTs that smn has, as well as Ruin spam, multiplied by 10% and add Aero. Also probably add Thunder too, because with Energy Drain spam, a SCH wont have MP issues and can afford to spam Thunder in the rotation.

Finally, Selene also has a 30% spell speed buff thats up 1/2 the time. Its around a 10% reduction in GCD times.

It all comes down to: is all that enough versus the ~66 dps of Garuda? Probably not.. then factor this: Selene buffs the entire PT's dps by ~10%. Is THAT enough? Probably is!

that's actually not how Selene works...

the tooltip is misleading, it's a 30% skillspeed buff.. as in your spell/skillspeed stat on your character sheet.

if you've got enough gear on to reduce your GCD by .06 seconds, selene will bump that to .08.. it's a tiny tiny tiny buff that's actually outclassed by Eos' aoe regen ala - http://xivdb.com/?skill/90120/Enhanced-Pet-Actions

that spell speed is actually as much as advertised.

more to the point, you should be comparing energy drain to fester, and aero + cleric stance to garuda + raging strikes

those are the only real differences... although the pet alone trumps cleric stance and aero unless we're talking about an aoe situation where bane'd dots have the benefit of cleric stance...

but... a summoner's bane'd dots are going to have the benefit of raging strikes and/or contagion

not sure why you bring up thunder for a scholar and not a summoner though... it's better damage:mp for summoners as well as scholars.. not to mention better dps than ruin spam for both..

[KaisaaVonFaust]

I made this thread for him so i hope he comes here and tries to explain himself instead of me relaying messages. I am making a summoner now myself just so i can prove it! haha