Market Wards, enough is enough

[Xenor]

Another point is a lot of people don't have two retainers, they have 4, 6, 8 or more because they've taken advantage of being able to make new characters or use their buddy pass for free. I currently have 4 retainers fully stocked and I'm thinking about setting up another 2.

[Wolfie]

Another point is a lot of people don't have two retainers, they have 4, 6, 8 or more because they've taken advantage of being able to make new characters or use their buddy pass for free. I currently have 4 retainers fully stocked and I'm thinking about setting up another 2.

This is a very good point, actually. Are the MW servers prepared to handle 8 retainers from every player on the world? How about just one? I doubt MW can even support 1000 retainers right now, much less 8000+ when server populations fill out more.

[Delsus]

This is a very good point, actually. Are the MW servers prepared to handle 8 retainers from every player on the world? How about just one? I doubt MW can even support 1000 retainers right now, much less 8000+ when server populations fill out more.

Which is where my suggestion comes in, each ward on its own server would beable to handle this easily, did I not post that idea on pg 5? most of the issues posted since would be fixed by my suggestion

[Wolfie]

Which is where my suggestion comes in, each ward on its own server would beable to handle this easily, did I not post that idea on pg 5? most of the issues posted since would be fixed by my suggestion

That's possible sure, but is it feasible? What's the current retainer limit in a ward, 200? That would be like dedicating ~40 machines just for a single world's market system. That's ridiculous.

[Mack]

Which is where my suggestion comes in, each ward on its own server would beable to handle this easily, did I not post that idea on pg 5? most of the issues posted since would be fixed by my suggestion

That's not a solution. Say they even increase the capacity of a single ward, Wolfie said it was 200 retainers, say they make it a thousand and stabilize each ward, how is that a feasible solution? What is the point of walking into a ward where there's thousands of retainers and your only going for one? its not a solution. The ONLY reason SE is holding onto the wards is so they can charge you extra for retainers in the future, and I will keep saying this until people on here see that down the road. Nothing about the wards is good imo, the only solution is take the wards and make them a counter.

[viion]

That's not a solution. Say they even increase the capacity of a single ward, Wolfie said it was 200 retainers, say they make it a thousand and stabilize each ward, how is that a feasible solution? What is the point of walking into a ward where there's thousands of retainers and your only going for one? its not a solution. The ONLY reason SE is holding onto the wards is so they can charge you extra for retainers in the future, and I will keep saying this until people on here see that down the road. Nothing about the wards is good imo, the only solution is take the wards and make them a counter.

It does seem like that, and what is sad is if they had an AH but still kept personal NPC's for storage, people would still pay for a bunch of them lol Because its all about the storage not how much items you can sell.

[MeowyWowie]

One thing to consider, however, is even if they somehow managed to disperse retainers to the different city-states, would the same problem arise when the PS3 version is released and the population rises? Though they still have sometime to come up with a counter to that issue.

This is what I'm most concerned about. In the most recent Letter from the Producer Yoshi-P clearly states that they are still working on fixing stability issues. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this something that they said they've been working on for a while now?

If they can fix the issues we're having now, great. But will that fix matter once PS3 version is released? Or will we see the same problem all over again? It just seems that this is a difficult problem for them to fix, given that it's existed for a long time now and has gotten worse recently.

It just makes sense for them to draw the line and say that the way the market wards are currently implemented is not worth their time trying to diagnose and fix. Sure Auction Houses crash too, as would any market system I would imagine. But this frequently? SE has spent enough money on this game already. This is one of the areas they can cut costs a bit and still have a functioning market system, if they decide to go with an AH.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

wards are fine, player base isn't.
Reason for the crashes is players are all in the same ward area, AND in the same wards. Too many people put to much stuff in the same few wards or do not take out their retainers. In some cases no one is using the wards as intended and screwing over others. Too many retainers handing in very few wards is too much for the server.

Some suggestions are:
1 make all the wards for MISC instead of trying to have catagories.
2 instead of a narrow hall, make the ward one large room that is 6 stalls x 9 rows.
3 have 3 cloors for each ward

I think that is stuff SE can do to help the server.

But most of the problems are with the playerbase. We do need to spread out more and not congrigate into 1 town. Which is part of the crash.

Do not go by the 30K player base number as it may be more considering even a 1 chocobo server has full wards in Ul'dah. 3 chocobo server ( high populated server) had very full wards in ul'dah.

[Mack]

wards are fine, player base isn't.
Reason for the crashes is players are all in the same ward area, AND in the same wards. Too many people put to much stuff in the same few wards or do not take out their retainers. In some cases no one is using the wards as intended and screwing over others. Too many retainers handing in very few wards is too much for the server.

Some suggestions are:
1 make all the wards for MISC instead of trying to have catagories.
2 instead of a narrow hall, make the ward one large room that is 6 stalls x 9 rows.
3 have 3 cloors for each ward

I think that is stuff SE can do to help the server.

But most of the problems are with the playerbase. We do need to spread out more and not congrigate into 1 town. Which is part of the crash.

Do not go by the 30K player base number as it may be more considering even a 1 chocobo server has full wards in Ul'dah. 3 chocobo server ( high populated server) had very full wards in ul'dah.

In Selbina all the wards are used properly and packed to the brim and the wards crash all the time.

[Kensaki]

The simple fact is that all the zoning searching and activity on the wards cause of the cumbersome system they have in place put to much strain on the server. And as population increases the problems will only worsen. Add more wards or splitting them up to smaller or whatever will not change the fact that it causes to much strain on the servers. They are going to move to an AH type system in the end cause an AH doesn't put nearly as much stress on the servers as the current ward system.