I hope this game doesn't become like FFXI

[Elexia]

Because FFXI in its EQ-timesink-copying glory would not have held a candle to the likes of rift and WoW.I'm starting to get tired of seeing people say crap like this.

The "challenge" in FFXI was having enough time set aside to get anything done.

You're tired of people saying "crap like this"? Well a lot are tired of people saying crap like this. I can promise you if you went into any form of BC fight unprepared, you'll have at least 10 new holes to get fucked in torn into you.

[Duelle]

You're tired of people saying "crap like this"? Well a lot are tired of people saying crap like this. I can promise you if you went into any form of BC fight unprepared, you'll have at least 10 new holes to get fucked in torn into you.

Unprepared meaning without the"right" gear and the "right" jobs. At the most you just had to stand at X yalms away if you were a caster or had to rely on a RDM to gravity kiting and someone blink-tanking because you otherwise took too much damage. That's not an encounter difficult by design. That's more being forced to avoid damage as much as you can due to lopsided damage taken:heals:MP pools ratio. Again, where's the encounter or environmental mechanics you have to react to? Where's the abilities to interrupt?

So again, how are any of the examples in my last post easymode?

[Elexia]

Unprepared meaning without the"right" gear and the "right" jobs.

Unprepared means unprepared.

You can have the right jobs and right gear but if you're unprepared things can still go wrong. Just like you can fuck up brewing (aka god mode) NMs if you're unprepared and don't know that certain monsters have and can gain different immunities at x point or during y parameter (casting/ws/attack etc) or can actually charm you and screw you over (i.e Rani) so you need to prepare how you'll deal with the charm for example.

I'll admit, it's a lot easier to ignore what being unprepared means if it'll kill your argument. When you were a kid (or still are, I don't know) didn't you ever hear the phrase "being unprepared for school"? That generally means a lot more than just not having the right gear.

[Duelle]

You can have the right jobs and right gear but if you're unprepared things can still go wrong. Just like you can fuck up brewing (aka god mode) NMs if you're unprepared and don't know that certain monsters have and can gain different immunities at x point or during y parameter (casting/ws/attack etc) or can actually charm you and screw you over (i.e Rani) so you need to prepare how you'll deal with the charm for example.

Charm and Stripga were cheese mechanics that were tossed in because there was little they could actually add to make the boss difficult. And we were talking about BCNMs.

I'll admit, it's a lot easier to ignore what being unprepared means if it'll kill your argument. When you were a kid (or still are, I don't know) didn't you ever hear the phrase "being unprepared for school"? That generally means a lot more than just not having the right gear.

What I'm trying to get at is that there wasn't much to prepare for BCNMs, which is what you decided to bring up. Now you're switching to abyssea NMs, which are all balanced around "absorbs type of damage" and cheese mechanics. Let's try to first decide the context of our conversation, then start the back and forth, shall we?

I'll start: the problem with BCs is that you relied most on group comp and RNG. This is most evident is stuff like the leaping boots BCNM and under observation, since both basically hinge on one ability landing to actually win (charm in the former, gravity on the latter). Again, that's not encounter difficulty nor is it any indicator of skill. That's bringing the "right" comp with the "right" gear and the RNG gods smiling down upon you. That's not mentioning anyone in melee had to have a blink band(lol) or sub NIN for utsusemi to blink damage away.