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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidious View Post
    If they died, then they deserve to stay dead.
    That may well be the case in content like AK, Praetorium etc, but that is not a valid attitude once you are in coil, stuff happens, someone might eat snap agro on an ADS1 add, or a cleave/tail on Caduceus, or a line on ADS2 whilst keeping the pox chain going, even a tank can sometimes get nigh instakilled (I'm looking at you clockwork dreadnaught), and that's before you've started working on Twintania. Save the 'high and mighty' viewpoints for when you've seen what this game truely has to offer. From an end game raid perspective, the current system of combat ressing needs adjusting, and I feel that SE are going about it the wrong way (immunity mid raise will just make it too easy and mindless).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebazy View Post
    That may well be the case in content like AK, Praetorium etc, but that is not a valid attitude once you are in coil, stuff happens
    Uh. There's not a place in FFXIV right now where it is a more valid attitude. Period. Coil is XIV's cutting edge. That doesn't mean you deserve unlimited ez-mode combat rezzes. Quite the contrary. You do it right or you don't do it at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidious View Post
    Uh. There's not a place in FFXIV right now where it is a more valid attitude. Period. Coil is XIV's cutting edge. That doesn't mean you deserve unlimited ez-mode combat rezzes. Quite the contrary. You do it right or you don't do it at all.
    You've got a far too simplistic view on this. Coil4 punishes deaths to the point of it being a near guaranteed wipe on any death regardless of role, yet it's very easy and safe to get someone back on their feet. On the flipside, if you can do Coil2 cleanly with 8, you can likely do it with 7 as long as the silence rotation is kept up, yet raising on ADS is an absolute pita because of the constant vacuum wave spam. Caduceus is similar, a death doesn't generally mean a wipe, but even with swiftcast on hand I really don't like leaving my tank without a heal for that GCD. And that's before I start on the unavoidable deaths you see on Twintania.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebazy View Post
    You've got a far too simplistic view on this. Coil4 punishes deaths to the point of it being a near guaranteed wipe on any death regardless of role, yet it's very easy and safe to get someone back on their feet. On the flipside, if you can do Coil2 cleanly with 8, you can likely do it with 7 as long as the silence rotation is kept up, yet raising on ADS is an absolute pita because of the constant vacuum wave spam. Caduceus is similar, a death doesn't generally mean a wipe, but even with swiftcast on hand I really don't like leaving my tank without a heal for that GCD. And that's before I start on the unavoidable deaths you see on Twintania.
    My view is simple because the fact of the matter is simple: You beat a fight that punishes deaths by not dying. You beat fights that are hard to battle rez on by not dying. That you have to be strategic with how and when you battle rez is not a detriment to the game.

    If your group cannot do the fights without deaths, then you deserve to fail, collectively, as a group. Period, the end. Stop blaming the battle rez mechanics and start learning how to survive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidious View Post
    My view is simple because the fact of the matter is simple: You beat a fight that punishes deaths by not dying. You beat fights that are hard to battle rez on by not dying. That you have to be strategic with how and when you battle rez is not a detriment to the game.

    If your group cannot do the fights without deaths, then you deserve to fail, collectively, as a group. Period, the end. Stop blaming the battle rez mechanics and start learning how to survive.
    In this case there is no point in having battle res .. just as well the dev team aren't as jumped up and hoity toity as you.
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