please buff sacred soil

[fanservice]

It saves lives if the amount it shielded kept someone from dying..and people can get very low on health on massive ae spikes. Any effective healing (non overheal) is life saving.

If sacred soil is the difference between life and death for someone from a single hit, that means someone seriously messed up along the lines before that where they shouldn't have.

As for the effective healing, a single tick of medica 2 can heal for just about as much as sacred soil can mitigate in its lifespan. Remember, using sacred soil is one less lustrate on top of that. Most of the time, it's not worth the opportunity cost. Outside of predictable burst AOE damage, and a lack of better things to do in content you can heal in a bikini, it's not worth using.

[Taruranto]

If sacred soil is the difference between life and death for someone from a single hit, that means someone seriously messed up along the lines before that where they shouldn't have.

As for the effective healing, a single tick of medica 2 can heal for just about as much as sacred soil can mitigate in its lifespan. Remember, using sacred soil is one less lustrate on top of that. Most of the time, it's not worth the opportunity cost. Outside of predictable burst AOE damage, and a lack of better things to do in content you can heal in a bikini, it's not worth using.

Why the hell would you need to Lustrate so much anyway? I mean, most of the times, I know when i'm going to need Lustrate and when I'm free to use SS. Take Garuda for example, you shouldn't need to Lustrate at all during the first half and you can throw as many SS as you can. Keeping Aetherflow because you may need to Lustrate at some point during that part it's a waste (even assuming someone HP drops low, the WHM and your basic heal can easily save him)

[Alu79]

Why the hell would you need to Lustrate so much anyway? I mean, most of the times, I know when i'm going to need Lustrate and when I'm free to use SS. Take Garuda for example, you shouldn't need to Lustrate at all during the first half and you can throw as many SS as you can. Keeping Aetherflow because you may need to Lustrate at some point during that part it's a waste (even assuming someone HP drops low, the WHM and your basic heal can easily save him)

You assume it will always be a WHM that a SCH is chained to. What if it is double SCH? What if the target, not necessarily the tank, got crit and needs a heal NOW? It isn't always predictable all the time and again, SS is garbage outside of a major inc aoe dmg. Basic dmg is basic, so you would never burn AF charge for it. That's the truth of it.

It's 10% when SS should be 25-30% dmg reduction on a 2 minute cool down if it is gonna consume an AF charge. Tho, tbh, that 10% dmg redux should get baked into Succor and SS should be something like a HoT spell that sits in a specific area. Like Healing Rain or Holy Word: Sanctuary in WoW. Would be a much better use of AF charges than 10% dmg redux. 10% is 200 points of dmg mitigated from a 2k hit. Let me repeat that, 200 points of dmg mitigated from a 2k hit. A single regen tic covers that and more over its duration. And can be used on everyone any time vs an AF charge and a cd.

Or Maybe turn SS into the AoE HoT I mentioned and have the fairies 20% magic dmg redux into a straight up dmg redux. That would be cool too.

[ApolloGenX]

It's 10% when SS should be 25-30% dmg reduction on a 2 minute cool down if it is gonna consume an AF charge. Tho, tbh, that 10% dmg redux should get baked into Succor and SS should be something like a HoT spell that sits in a specific area. Like Healing Rain or Holy Word: Sanctuary in WoW. Would be a much better use of AF charges than 10% dmg redux. 10% is 200 points of dmg mitigated from a 2k hit. Let me repeat that, 200 points of dmg mitigated from a 2k hit. A single regen tic covers that and more over its duration. And can be used on everyone any time vs an AF charge and a cd.

Or Maybe turn SS into the AoE HoT I mentioned and have the fairies 20% magic dmg redux into a straight up dmg redux. That would be cool too.

10 Percent in succor would scale crazily. Although 25 percent is pretty darned high... but for 2 min CD, might be a good tradeoff. Basically make it more like WoWs barrier- that could work.


Turning into an AE HoT makes no sense with the SCH shielding toolkit, that sounds like a whm ability.

If they did give it a longer CD, maybe they could just boost the potency of succor a bit. 15 Percent.. percent at the most for SS... Anything more and you are really dangerously close to making it required for encounters and OP. You really can't have SCH exceling at tank healing and bringing required group CDs. Disco was out of control for a reason..

[Alu79]

10 Percent in succor would scale crazily. Although 25 percent is pretty darned high... but for 2 min CD, might be a good tradeoff. Basically make it more like WoWs barrier- that could work.


Turning into an AE HoT makes no sense with the SCH shielding toolkit, that sounds like a whm ability.

If they did give it a longer CD, maybe they could just boost the potency of succor a bit. 15 Percent.. percent at the most for SS... Anything more and you are really dangerously close to making it required for encounters and OP. You really can't have SCH exceling at tank healing and bringing required group CDs. Disco was out of control for a reason..

Hm I don't think it would scale crazily tbh. 10% will always just be 10%, doesn't seem ground breaking to me. 100 point hit got 10 dmg shaved off, 500 point hit 50 dmg shaved off, a 1k hit got a 100 points knocked off etc. These aren't ground breaking numbers and it would only be on succors shield, no shield no dmg reduction.

And to the SS becoming a HoT thing, I think it could work tbh. And no I don't think an area placed aoe would fit the whm kit, whm have zero targeted area placed spells. SCH/SMN do. Plus, it would be a different way to heal which isn't at all like whm heal/HoT mechanics. SCH not having strong AoE =/= not supposed to have AoE. It would have a CD and cost an AF charge. That in itself is hefty restrictions placed on the spell.

[Alu79]

Oh I just had another thought. What if SS had it's current effect and cost mana instead of an AF charge? Then if you use SS AND you have an AF charge it will consume it and add the HoT while standing inside of it for the 10% dmg reduction?

[ApolloGenX]

Oh I just had another thought. What if SS had it's current effect and cost mana instead of an AF charge? Then if you use SS AND you have an AF charge it will consume it and add the HoT while standing inside of it for the 10% dmg reduction?

That sounds like it would be pretty cool. They would need to have a mechanic to determine how you are going to use it though...

What I meant as far as succor 10 percent scaling... is you could have a lot of uptime on a 10 percent shield... which would scale upwards really well... depending on the scaling of damage and healing, the 10 percent could end up outscaling the heal itself, depending.

Quite frankly, I think Lustrate is a very good and powerful heal... but I would like to see it splash heal around the target. Lustrate sounds like the target is "shining", and I think it would be a great effect to help shore up some of the scholars weakspot. It might not be a massive splash heal, but it certainly would be good for the melee group who might be taking some damage if the tank is spiking.

Cure 3 would be stronger, obviously... but I think preiodically being able to splash is very useful... especially with the very high cost of cure 3... even if they do fix the range.

[Alu79]

Cure 3 would be stronger, obviously... but I think preiodically being able to splash is very useful... especially with the very high cost of cure 3... even if they do fix the range.

Cure 3 needs to be scrapped. It just doesn't fit anywhere. I can't think of a situation that I have ever needed a heal on JUST the melee. They should change it to be like Priests Binding Heal. Heals you and the target and has 0 threat.

I have cast it a total of 3 times. Once to see what it looked like. Once to test it in a group. And once more just recently cause I forgot what it looked like. It is sort of the odd man out far as AoE heals. Just turn it into Binding Heal. I can think of more times I have taken a stray hit and had to heal tank more than I can think of any time that I have ever needed to cure JUST melee who are never stacked up anyway.. How do DRG always take frontal dmg? Why? I just don't get it..

[fanservice]

(even assuming someone HP drops low, the WHM and your basic heal can easily save him)

You assume that same someone would survive the 2 second cast, or someone always precasts for unpredictable damage that someone probably shouldn't have taken?

I'm not going to count on that cast time heal landing before someone dies if they're in that situation.

Garuda isn't a good example for your point, but it's good for mine:

Let's say someone took a shriek from garuda in the first phase while at full HP. They are one friction away from dead. That's a lustrate moment, unless you foresaw someone's failure and pre-casted.

Let's say someone has weakness post heart on titan, and is the only person at risk of dying to tumults at full HP. Toss a lustrate or 2 after a succor. That will save their life while sacred soil will not, nor will anyone else without weakness need sacred soil to survive those same tumults.

We both know sacred soil is good for predictable burst AOE damage, but I disagree on throwing it out when I can, because that is a bigger waste than holding on to aetherflow stacks for lustrate because of situations like the above happening. I'm not the person who will take those chances.