Amdapor Exploit

[Vodomir]

Was there any proof of an exploit? If there was you can report them. You don't even have to be on the same world as them. Reporting after the fact in regards to someone using an exploit is pretty difficult to prove.

In the AK tree scenario, or any group in which members ask you to use a known exploit, refuse on the grounds that it is an exploit, and if they insist, report them. They will get banned.

Some of the groups in question have openly admitted to exploit-killing Twintania and then reported themselves and the exploit only after making use of the exploit.

[Sinth]

Some of the groups in question have openly admitted to exploit-killing Twintania and then reported themselves and the exploit only after making use of the exploit.

Discovering a boss exploit and reporting it after the fight is a bit different than learning of a known exploit and intentionally using it to your advantage.

[Vodomir]

Discovering a boss exploit and reporting it after the fight is a bit different than learning of a known exploit and intentionally using it to your advantage.

Knowing of SE's comment on the Chimera/Hydra glitch, which clearly stated that killing an immobilized mob is breaking the ToS and that they expect parties to abort the fight once such a situation is encountered and then finding out how to (reproduceably) bring Twintania to complete halt at 80% health and slaying away at the remaining 80% is not exactly like accidently running across this bug while it was too late to realize. Killing a frozen Twintania with still 80% HP left IS a conscious decision and it's a decision to violate the ToS, thus swinging the ban hammer is more than appropriate. Maybe you should inform yourself on the matter a bit better before even trying to defend such behaviour?

[Xayoc]

Knowing of SE's comment on the Chimera/Hydra glitch, which clearly stated that killing an immobilized mob is breaking the ToS and that they expect parties to abort the fight once such a situation is encountered and then finding out how to (reproduceably) bring Twintania to complete halt at 80% health and slaying away at the remaining 80% is not exactly like accidently running across this bug while it was too late to realize. Killing a frozen Twintania with still 80% HP left IS a conscious decision and it's a decision to violate the ToS, thus swinging the ban hammer is more than appropriate. Maybe you should inform yourself on the matter a bit better before even trying to defend such behaviour?

The difference between the Chimera/Hydra/BC Turn 5 bug and this is very clear and distinct. Those bugs make the mob sit there and auto attack at the most, the scripts governing the mob break causing it to not use any advanced abilities and/or progress to more difficult stages. This boss runs through its ENTIRE skill tree even if the healer stands in the tree. The healer still gets hit by Obliterate, Mind Melt, Void Thunder, Void Fire, etc and as such is NOT AN EXPLOIT simply an alternative strategy to make a grind dungeon go a bit faster. This is more akin to standing on the hill on the first boss of Sunken Temple or fighting Chimera on the hill so that ranged are out of elevation of his AoE, legitimate strategies that SE has known about for well over a month and not commented on nor said to the community were bannable exploits.

That being said, if someone does not want to fight the boss this way, no one should make them. Personally this one wouldn't do it because frankly you'd waste more time setting up the fight than just doing it the normal way, the boss is crazy easy as it is and if asked to via a DF AK to do so this one would tell the requester to bugger off.

Finally, this one would like to point out there were several pages of forums claiming that Dark Devices Grinding was also an exploit and a developer later said that it was working as intended.

[Vodomir]

... and as such is NOT AN EXPLOIT simply an alternative strategy to make a grind dungeon go a bit faster.

As someone already pointed out the whole "standing on the tree thing" is officially an accepted bug and by definition using a bug to one's advantage clearly is an exploit, no matter how you put it. Thanks for taking part in this discussion.