At this point in the game, "rushing" is not a valid argument.

[Engineer]

Idon 't have a problem on how quick you can get to 50, my problem is that the endgame feels repetitive. We have only 2 dungeons to get tomes at the moment.

I wish their was more variety in content for getting tomes. If we had hard mode for all the existing dungeons I would be really happy to set the duty finder on random. Also we have no open world endgame (solo/duo/trio ) content.

I don't like the repetition, give me variety SE.

[Shirai]

I can post 3 things out of that list that apply to me.
Am I bothered by this? Not at all, I just find it amusing that there are people on both sides of the scope that consider being a casual player is something vile and horrendous.

[Energy2k8]

I am really casual, play about 10 hours a week since early access and my highest level is a lvl34 WHM. I also did some gathering and crafting and helped my friends do some lower level dungeons. I am really curious what casual means according to the OP.....

[Heartstopper]

I call total bullshit on the OP's timeframe.

[Zfz]

The word "casual" is very loaded with meanings; I think mostly it can refer to two aspects of how one play games.

#1. Time.

A casual player in terms of time is someone who don't spend a lot of time on the game. So say 10 hours a week, maybe even less. I feel that if you approach 20 hours a week you are no longer casual.

#2. Commitment.

You may be playing 10 hours a week, but in that 10 hours you play according to the most efficient routines, you pre-plan for the maximum benefit. You will not leave your chair for that 10 hours and you actually have this game time as part of your schedule that you set aside so nobody interferes with you. This is not casual.

Casual in terms of commitment means you would log out if you feel the weather is nice and you get on your bike for a nice ride. You are not seriously committed in the game, you are casual.

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A lot of people define casual with things like bad skill, bad gear, etc. They are reversing the cause and effect, and they are taking the part as the whole. A player who plays less may have bad gear, but he may also simply spend longer to prepare and still show up with the best gear as if he played 80 hours a week. He just won't be showing up with that gear in 1 week, but rather in 1 month or even 2 months time.

There are casual players who are very skilled and very serious about the game, but play 10~15 hours a week. There are also casual players who play 30~40 hours a week but will log out at a moment's notice to go to a movie or to watch TV.

I've found that most of the times, when one wants to make a point, it can be done better without even relating to the concept of casual vs hard-core. "Casual" is a convenient concept, but is so loaded with meaning that it is also a useless concept if you're seriously trying to communicate.

[Darklordkjell]

I too am quite curious what you've been doing in the game.
Please do not consider this an attack, I am genuinely curious as I started playing two and a half weeks after retail and I consider myself extremely casual when it comes to leveling pace.

What I've been doing? Hm, leveled other classes, exploring areas I am currently to low leveled to enter, getting more knowned to the interface, for once trying to understand the macro system. Never used before, but since I plan to enter raids and end-game content I feel I need to know that, at least the basics. Trying to learn my main job better before getting to the end-game content, even though it is really easy to play. I am a slow learner, so I take my time to learn it properly. Then off-game I read about other classes to plan ahead what I need and don't need for BLM, which I will primarly use in dungeons. THM is for leveling. Besides, I've been level 31 character for about a week. Since beta, I have also made 3 other characters with different main class. And as said, I take my time to enjoy the most out of the game, because of reasons mentioned: Not getting burned out on the game too quickly. I have no need to hurry to 50 yet. Might as well take my time. While I'm at it, I hate leveling, even though it doesn't take long to level up. Now you know.

[Kanzer]

*snip*

Oh look, it's this guy again. Always gotta be whining about something don'tcha?

/yawn

[OrganizationXIll]

How many hours a day are we talking about? Because I've been playing the game almost everyday since September 4th and I just hit 42 this morning, so...

If you do leves, gathering is fast. If you don't, its slow. Same with just grinding mobs to level. If you grind mobs, its slow. If you do quests, its extremely fast.

You can level every class in this game exceptionally faster compared to other MMOs. So when people are EASILY hitting the level cap, then upset that the game has a boring endgame, they have every right to be upset. Not everyone plays an MMO just so "sit and stare at the sunsets", because that's what the real world is for.

So people say you are rushing if from day 1 you:

1. Make a new character
2. Do your main story quests up to level 50.

How is that rushing? That's PLAYING the game. There's no rushing involved. It's just PLAYING the game. Just because person A didn't feel like LITERALLY stopping to smell the roses or "dip his virtual feet in the water" doesn't mean that he RUSHED through the game. He simply proceeded through the main story that the game guides you through.

Goodness the fanboys. Don't you understand that its okay to love something/someone and still see the flaws? That's relationship 101 right there.

I have been playing casually and tonight I will probably (hopefully) hit 40 on my WHM. I generally play about 3-4 hours a night at most. That is casual. Playing 8-10 hours a day and going through the story in a week isn't casual just because it is easy to do. You still need lots of time to invest in it. Casual players do not have this time to spend on the game. Casuals can play the exact same way as you:

1. Make a new character
2. Do your main story quests up to level 50.

an take twice as long because we can't throw the same amount of time at it as you. How you do it doesn't determine your status. (Casual/Hardcore) The time you can put into it does.

[Dorfentyme]

Wait so just be because I don't like pvp I'm a casual? Well excuuuussseeeeee meeeeeee for wanting to avoid the most toxic part of the community. Oh and I only have one class to 50 and two others below 16 I just enjoy playing the game at a slower pace than you, bite me.

Wow, way to take offense to something you didn't need to. I don't like PvP either for the exact same reason as you. maybe you should try to understand the point my post was making.

THAT Is how people label casuals. NOT ME, but how broad the term is used and how people see casuals as so many different things. Have a coke and a smile and lighten up.

I will never understand, why people who love to Focus on ONE class and Endgame-Raiding only... play new MMOs.

Is the "I was one of the first" so much more important compared to having content?

If you want to have a big endgame content, join a MMO that is >1 Year after release. You have less bugs, more features and more content.

New MMOs will never ever satisfy you - and you should know that by now. How often do you have to make the same mistake over and over again until you notice that?

Some people don't want to be fully burned out with the game and run all of the same content over and over within the first few months of release by leveling alts. I like to level alts later on down the road when I'm tired of my current class and want to take a break. I don't want to play another class while I'm still enjoying Paladin or vice versa. Besides, alt leveling is just running the same content that you've already done. Some people don't like doing that, there's nothing wrong with that. There's a new (low)standard for MMOs these days, and it would be nice for someone to break the mold and actually release a game with decent endgame content at release OR make leveling take long enough(and be fun while taking awhile) that you can't be at endgame so quickly without some new content added in. Standards for gaming in general have lowered, most apologists will just say "GIVE THEM TIME WHAT DO YOU EXPECT, TO GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR, HOW DARE YOU!!!"

I play every day and I think the current pacing is fine, the problem is that important end game content is missing and it shows. Without Crystal Tower there's no proper way to gear up for Bahamut's Coil (which is designed for ilevel 80). Tomestones are, as indicated by their relative scarcity and weekly limits, clearly meant to SUPPLEMENT the gear you get from drops but right now they're the ONLY way to get gear at all acceptable for raiding. If Crystal Tower was out right now people would have: another way to get tomestones of mythology and, a way to get ready for Bahamut's Coil that is actually appropriate to their gear level instead of running story dungeons designed for people who just hit 50 over and over again. The game really should have been delayed until CT was finished since right now there's a huge gap in progression and it shows.

Yes, I've said this before and so have many others. The game should've been delayed until 2.1. That would've solved a lot of problems for people. If they want this game to appeal to the masses, they need to cater to all the audiences. I believe there are more than just "hardcore or casual" like so many believe. There's hardcore, there's semi-casual, there's casual, there's PvP, there's the RPers. A lot of the hardcore gamers just want the game to be difficult. If the content isn't difficult, they rush through it and complain because it was too easy and too quick. It's hard to find a nice balance though.

I call total bullshit on the OP's timeframe.

Some people are better/faster/more efficient when they play games than others. I've watched RL friends who are so meticulous with every step that they do. They can't even run and look at the map at the same time. They take so long to get anything done because they are slow to read or slow to spot what they need on the UI. There's nothing wrong with this, just others are faster than those and they AREN'T rushing because they can multitask. If I was a rusher, I wouldn't have stopped for over a week at level 15 to allow my family and friends to catch up(during login restrictions, I was fortunate enough to be able to log in, they were not), nor would I have leveled my mining, or leveled any of my conjurer, or ran everywhere instead of teleporting(except when I was leveling from 49-50, had people waiting on me to run WP, so I had to hurry that level, which was extremely fast). I took my time, but I took my time with a SINGLE class, because that's what I want to play, a paladin. Doesn't make me a rusher because I am able to multi-task efficiently.

I'm a married attorney and I've had the game since launch. In 1.0 I had a 50 BLM. Since early release, I've taken Arcanist to level 24 and am currently on the 4th dungeon. Clearly everyone has a different opinion of what constitutes "casual."

They absolutely do, that's what one of my previous posts was trying to indicate. Instead people saw it as me labeling them and attacking them, which is not what I was doing at all. You can be a casual who plays 24 hours a week. You can be a casual if you play 5 hours a week.

I have been playing casually and tonight I will probably (hopefully) hit 40 on my WHM. I generally play about 3-4 hours a night at most. That is casual. Playing 8-10 hours a day and going through the story in a week isn't casual just because it is easy to do. You still need lots of time to invest in it. Casual players do not have this time to spend on the game. Casuals can play the exact same way as you:

1. Make a new character
2. Do your main story quests up to level 50.

an take twice as long because we can't throw the same amount of time at it as you. How you do it doesn't determine your status. (Casual/Hardcore) The time you can put into it does.

And yet people have so many different views as to what defines casual for them. To you, a casual may be someone who plays 5 hours a week. To others? A casual is anyone who doesn't devote their life to the game like hardcore players can/do. Your view about being a casual isn't more correct than anyone elses. The only thing most people can agree on is a casual is NOT someone who plays 40+ hours a week.

Oh look, it's this guy again. Always gotta be whining about something don'tcha?

/yawn

Funny, as I remember you being picked apart in a thread where you were defending this game tooth and nail and refusing to acknowledge that it has any flaw to it whatsoever. That's called being a fanboy, and they are sometimes MORE detrimental than the supposed "whiners who complain about everything."

[MasamuneBranford]

I'm a married attorney and I've had the game since launch. In 1.0 I had a 50 BLM. Since early release, I've taken Arcanist to level 24 and am currently on the 4th dungeon. Clearly everyone has a different opinion of what constitutes "casual."