At this point in the game, "rushing" is not a valid argument.

[Dorfentyme]

Wait so just be because I don't like pvp I'm a casual? Well excuuuussseeeeee meeeeeee for wanting to avoid the most toxic part of the community. Oh and I only have one class to 50 and two others below 16 I just enjoy playing the game at a slower pace than you, bite me.

Wow, way to take offense to something you didn't need to. I don't like PvP either for the exact same reason as you. maybe you should try to understand the point my post was making.

THAT Is how people label casuals. NOT ME, but how broad the term is used and how people see casuals as so many different things. Have a coke and a smile and lighten up.

I will never understand, why people who love to Focus on ONE class and Endgame-Raiding only... play new MMOs.

Is the "I was one of the first" so much more important compared to having content?

If you want to have a big endgame content, join a MMO that is >1 Year after release. You have less bugs, more features and more content.

New MMOs will never ever satisfy you - and you should know that by now. How often do you have to make the same mistake over and over again until you notice that?

Some people don't want to be fully burned out with the game and run all of the same content over and over within the first few months of release by leveling alts. I like to level alts later on down the road when I'm tired of my current class and want to take a break. I don't want to play another class while I'm still enjoying Paladin or vice versa. Besides, alt leveling is just running the same content that you've already done. Some people don't like doing that, there's nothing wrong with that. There's a new (low)standard for MMOs these days, and it would be nice for someone to break the mold and actually release a game with decent endgame content at release OR make leveling take long enough(and be fun while taking awhile) that you can't be at endgame so quickly without some new content added in. Standards for gaming in general have lowered, most apologists will just say "GIVE THEM TIME WHAT DO YOU EXPECT, TO GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR, HOW DARE YOU!!!"

I play every day and I think the current pacing is fine, the problem is that important end game content is missing and it shows. Without Crystal Tower there's no proper way to gear up for Bahamut's Coil (which is designed for ilevel 80). Tomestones are, as indicated by their relative scarcity and weekly limits, clearly meant to SUPPLEMENT the gear you get from drops but right now they're the ONLY way to get gear at all acceptable for raiding. If Crystal Tower was out right now people would have: another way to get tomestones of mythology and, a way to get ready for Bahamut's Coil that is actually appropriate to their gear level instead of running story dungeons designed for people who just hit 50 over and over again. The game really should have been delayed until CT was finished since right now there's a huge gap in progression and it shows.

Yes, I've said this before and so have many others. The game should've been delayed until 2.1. That would've solved a lot of problems for people. If they want this game to appeal to the masses, they need to cater to all the audiences. I believe there are more than just "hardcore or casual" like so many believe. There's hardcore, there's semi-casual, there's casual, there's PvP, there's the RPers. A lot of the hardcore gamers just want the game to be difficult. If the content isn't difficult, they rush through it and complain because it was too easy and too quick. It's hard to find a nice balance though.

I call total bullshit on the OP's timeframe.

Some people are better/faster/more efficient when they play games than others. I've watched RL friends who are so meticulous with every step that they do. They can't even run and look at the map at the same time. They take so long to get anything done because they are slow to read or slow to spot what they need on the UI. There's nothing wrong with this, just others are faster than those and they AREN'T rushing because they can multitask. If I was a rusher, I wouldn't have stopped for over a week at level 15 to allow my family and friends to catch up(during login restrictions, I was fortunate enough to be able to log in, they were not), nor would I have leveled my mining, or leveled any of my conjurer, or ran everywhere instead of teleporting(except when I was leveling from 49-50, had people waiting on me to run WP, so I had to hurry that level, which was extremely fast). I took my time, but I took my time with a SINGLE class, because that's what I want to play, a paladin. Doesn't make me a rusher because I am able to multi-task efficiently.

I'm a married attorney and I've had the game since launch. In 1.0 I had a 50 BLM. Since early release, I've taken Arcanist to level 24 and am currently on the 4th dungeon. Clearly everyone has a different opinion of what constitutes "casual."

They absolutely do, that's what one of my previous posts was trying to indicate. Instead people saw it as me labeling them and attacking them, which is not what I was doing at all. You can be a casual who plays 24 hours a week. You can be a casual if you play 5 hours a week.

I have been playing casually and tonight I will probably (hopefully) hit 40 on my WHM. I generally play about 3-4 hours a night at most. That is casual. Playing 8-10 hours a day and going through the story in a week isn't casual just because it is easy to do. You still need lots of time to invest in it. Casual players do not have this time to spend on the game. Casuals can play the exact same way as you:

1. Make a new character
2. Do your main story quests up to level 50.

an take twice as long because we can't throw the same amount of time at it as you. How you do it doesn't determine your status. (Casual/Hardcore) The time you can put into it does.

And yet people have so many different views as to what defines casual for them. To you, a casual may be someone who plays 5 hours a week. To others? A casual is anyone who doesn't devote their life to the game like hardcore players can/do. Your view about being a casual isn't more correct than anyone elses. The only thing most people can agree on is a casual is NOT someone who plays 40+ hours a week.

Oh look, it's this guy again. Always gotta be whining about something don'tcha?

/yawn

Funny, as I remember you being picked apart in a thread where you were defending this game tooth and nail and refusing to acknowledge that it has any flaw to it whatsoever. That's called being a fanboy, and they are sometimes MORE detrimental than the supposed "whiners who complain about everything."

[IMStarbuck]

OP totally not understanding the game. This is The Sim, final fantasy version. If you treat it like WOW or any combat oriented game, you are dead wrong.
Look at the patch 2.1...Housing is the next big thing.

I bet the patch 2.2 will introduce Ikea furniture, Shopping mall and virtual chocobo farming.

What is End game? It just beginning of virtual life here.

[Dorfentyme]

OP totally not understanding the game. This is The Sim, final fantasy version. If you treat it like WOW or any combat oriented game, you are dead wrong.
Look at the patch 2.1...Housing is the next big thing.

I bet the patch 2.2 will introduce Ikea furniture, Shopping mall and virtual chocobo farming.

What is End game? It just beginning of virtual life here.

You must be new to MMOs. This isn't meant as an insult, but your view of the game isn't entirely...accurate. Having a housing feature doesn't mean the game isn't combat oriented. If you're new to the MMO genre, then SANDBOX is what you may want to look into. Sandbox games can be played like Sims, but not this game.

You know what, since you told me I'm "dead wrong" about my view of this game, I guess its okay to say that you're pretty wrong too. In fact, your description of the game couldn't be further from the truth. What FF game isn't about combat? Out of the entire MMO genre, how many MMOs are not based around their combat system?

You do realize a lot of MMOs have player housing right? Doesn't make it the Sims. That description couldn't be more wrong.

Did you play FFXI? It had housing. It has more fluff features than this game currently has(as it should, it's been out longer), but do you see people calling it Sims Final Fantasy Version? No, they don't. Because that'd be silly. I'd love to see or hear ANYWHERE a dev said this is supposed to be Sims Final Fantasy Version. They didn't. They would've been laughed off the stage at any of the conventions they were showcasing the game. The only person who isn't understanding the game, is you bud. Welcome to the MMO genre. I hope you enjoy your stay.

Well even though I managed to hit LVL 50 and I am casual, I really don't throw a temper tantrum if someone else ISN'T 50.

What you don't think is rushing may very well be rushing for someone else.

I would also like to point out that while I see hundreds of posts about endgame raging, having nothing to do, having already leveled all jobs, not having the best gear making you mad, game sucking etc. ... there is one group of people who doesn't have this issue, feel happy, and have things to do every single day. Us casuals.

You're implying only the hardcore have issues with endgame.

Here's the point:
Not everyone wants to level all the jobs to 50 from day 1. Guess what? I want to play my paladin for a few months, THEN move on to a new class. Maybe play that a couple months. To make the game last longer. Forcing myself to NOT play is the only way to make the game last longer, and that doesn't give Square any more money.

Again, it doesn't seem you're aware of what a casual is. Plenty of "casuals" are at endgame. Doesn't make the argument any less valid. Also, just because someone thinks a game sucks, doesn't mean they can't be a casual.

[AlternativeOne]

Dont consider myself a casual player. cause I play about 4hrs after work everyday when I can and all day Saturdays. Got cnj and brd level50 and a 41 blm. Wish i would have focused more on gear farming soon as my whm got 50 but I immediately switch to arc and started the grind. Saved many of the 48-50 quest for brd cause they give 13k or more exp, and would have been wasted on whm since you dont get exp on level 50 classes. Level 30 bnt 33 ltw 29 fisher level 15-20 on other DOM DOW classes. The leveling is super fast Took four months to get one class to 75 in FFXI. My only real regret about my leveling progress is that I didnt farm a full set of dark light and a relic soon as I hit 50. That end game content is enjoyable to me even after the 100th time doing it. Now the problem is that the so called casuals are showing up at end game gimp as shit and all the so called rushers are in full DL with relics. So now Im stuck dealing with the new 50s still wearing level 40 gear from dragon head trying to run 50 content. Im either over geared and suffering with weaker people or under geared and getting shunned by stronger people. Damn should have started brd relic 2 weeks ago. whm is fine with garuda weapon for now and I can almost get my first piece of af2. That damn DL bow i got in wonders palace is too weak and ifrit garuda hate my bard. Lucky me I have 5 linkshells and a good FC to hang with. So Ill get that stuff eventually but I want it now lol.

[Daays]

So after reading this thread...

The only people who aren't max level are actively trying to not hit max level, so that they can come post in these threads on the forums saying "I'm not max level! You should take your time and stare at the mountains/sunsets for HOURS!"
Or they just role play.

[Erendis]

The only people who aren't max level are actively trying to not hit max level, so that they can come post in these threads on the forums saying "I'm not max level! You should take your time and stare at the mountains/sunsets for HOURS!"
Or they just role play.

I am not actively trying to not reach level 50. However, I prefer to craft my own HQ equipment and also to gather and monster farm my own materials. For example, it took me ages to select a proper armour set to be able to farm HQ coral buterflies for HQ fish glue for my hammer. After all, I almost never could get HQ from NQ materials at the time.

[Shirai]

The only people who aren't max level are actively trying to not hit max level, so that they can come post in these threads on the forums saying "I'm not max level! You should take your time and stare at the mountains/sunsets for HOURS!"
Or they just role play.

Or doing other activities.
My fisher is my only max level at the moment as I enjoy gathering, I don't RP, I don't sit still to the sun rise but neither am I in a hurry to get all gear and max out at everything fast.

First I want to orientate myself on which classes I enjoy playing before I pick one to focus on, but I also want to do that thoroughly.
Make sure which cross class skills I can use, and which are useful for that class, have a good starter kit ready gear wise at level 50, for which the easiest path without relying on third parties is gathering and crafting everything myself.

I don't want to end up like a lot of other people that have one class at 50 and maybe a subclass at 15 because they needed that to unlock a job only to plunge themsleves into endgame completely and end up bored because they reach their tokens cap for the week on tuesday and can't progress further because they can't produce enough DPS to beat the actual hard content no matter how well geared they are.
I'm not saying you are one of them, but look a few of the big mouthed characters up on the Loadstone and prepare to have a chuckle or a cringe, whichever catches your fancy.

I paid ahead for this game for 180 days, I don't need to have everything done last week, CM and AK will still be there in a few months and perhaps some alternative locations as well.

[Arriverderci]

So after reading this thread...

The only people who aren't max level are actively trying to not hit max level, so that they can come post in these threads on the forums saying "I'm not max level! You should take your time and stare at the mountains/sunsets for HOURS!"
Or they just role play.

^
I don't know what people want us to do. It does get quite annoying to tell us to "Slow down."
So I agree with OP for the most part. As of yesterday, it's been a month since I started this character and kept it.
I'm not even 50. I don't want to level EVERY Craft and EVERY Job because it does not peek my interest.
You can only go so slow and bog down where you get bored. If FATE's didn't kill sub-leveling I wouldn't
be complaining so bad. Just because folk leveld before you did, didn't mean we rushed.
How long are you going to say people "Rushed" the game leveling ain't a steep curve. If you seriously play, you can get 50 in a week.

There is very low content in this game, it just is. Rushing has nothing to do with it.

- Craft and play the market, which you can't because of RMT and stuff and risk being banned.
- Sub-level, which is a pain in the ass because of FATE's.
- Grind 1 or 2 dungeons all day all night till 2.1.
Not much to do. The game has really cool graphics but it's nothing special at all.

[TaruPower]

I got the game at launch, though was unable to log in until the 2nd. So i've been playing for over a month now and i'm sitting at 45 Scholar, 43 Alchemist, 20 Conjurer (which I am currently trying to get to 34 for Stoneskin).

I play for a few hours every day. Make pretty good progress in story, I play my class very well I believe(btw, complimenting your healer really does make us feel all warm and fuzzy.), but it'll probably be another several days before I hit cap. Unlike some people, I can't afford to play so much that I hit cap in a week, or if I did it would be at the expense of leveling other classes, crafting, and doing dungeons. The only way I could be 50 right now is if I grinded Fates, which is thus far my least favorite thing about this game.

[Kat_Manx]

Well even though I managed to hit LVL 50 and I am casual, I really don't throw a temper tantrum if someone else ISN'T 50.

What you don't think is rushing may very well be rushing for someone else.

I would also like to point out that while I see hundreds of posts about endgame raging, having nothing to do, having already leveled all jobs, not having the best gear making you mad, game sucking etc. ... there is one group of people who doesn't have this issue, feel happy, and have things to do every single day. Us casuals.