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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sterob View Post
    try chimera with pug bard and count how many time your group wipe in 10 min
    Well I mean, okay, but the problem isn't the bard, its the player dying to mechanics.

    What I meant is it is extremely difficult to mess up bard's rotation.

    EDIT: oh i read hydra when you said chimera. If you're talking about the silence, yea, well, i don't think needing to hit your interrupt qualifies it as a hard thing to do.

    You might be looking at bad players vs easy to play.

    Think about it this way.

    If you had a random dude who you MUST take with you to raiding.

    What class would you have him be?

    Clearly not a tank because losing aggro or standing in stuff you would instantly explode.
    Not a healer for the same reason.
    Not a melee because of the complicated rotations and such.
    Not a summoner because of the pet management and the 10 buttons or so you must hit.

    So really its a bard or a blm who has the least amount of responsibility.
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    Last edited by pandabearcat; 10-07-2013 at 11:28 PM.

  2. #32
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sterob View Post
    try chimera with pug bard and count how many time your group wipe in 10 min
    Or you just leave it to the PLD and steamroll it anyhow.

    The argument is flawed. You dont see DRGs saying their leg sweep makes them difficult to play because they have to stun eruption in titan HM once in a blue moon when there is no PLD, or MNKs when they are put on silence duty, which is a whole different dimension of difficulty. You are not off the GCD and you need to be in a specific stance, yet some MNKs can do it, with Bard you just press your silence button.
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    i don't think needing to hit your interrupt qualifies it as a hard thing to do.
    how many time you wipe at chimera? did you play as bard silencing chimera?
    Quote Originally Posted by ChaozK View Post
    You dont see DRGs saying their leg sweep makes them difficult to play because they have to stun eruption in HM once in a blue moon when there is no PLD, or MNKs when they are put on silence duty, which is a whole different dimension of difficulty. You are not off the GCD and you need to be in a specific stance, yet some MNK can do it, with Bard you just press your silence button.
    How many time you see DRG on stun role? how many time you see MNK on silence? How many time did you see they success in such job? Above all else, did you ever do that because easier said than done. BRD do those job on daily basic, every single bard that touch end game have to do it. Also, you are using vague point like not many them complain about it being hard, while admitting not many DRG and MNK do that.
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  4. #34
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    Ramsez Ristelen
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sterob View Post
    how many time you wipe at chimera? did you play as bard silencing chimera?

    How many time you see DRG on stun role? how many time you see MNK on silence? How many time did you see they success in such job? Above all else, did you ever do that because easier said than done. BRD do those job on daily basic, every single bard that touch end game have to do it. Also, you are using vague point like not many them complain about it being hard, while admitting not many DRG and MNK do that.
    oh god hitting a single interrupt button that have 30 sec cooldown require skillszzsz omg!! ah right when your silence is on cooldown you dont need to keep your eye on it
    simple rotation, very mobile, high consistent damage and that 1 skill makes bard much more harder? LOL
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  5. #35
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sterob View Post
    how many time you wipe at chimera? did you play as bard silencing chimera?

    How many time you see DRG on stun role? how many time you see MNK on silence? How many time did you see they success in such job? Above all else, did you ever do that because easier said than done. BRD do those job on daily basic, every single bard that touch end game have to do it. Also, you are using vague point like not many them complain about it being hard, while admitting not many DRG and MNK do that.
    DRG and MNK don't 'silence' chimera because...wait for it...their stuns share DR with other stuns. Bard's is a silence, and interrupting 5 sec cast times is ...not hard...at all. LOL. Bards are so funny on this forum, acting like that class is in any way shape or form difficult. If it were truly difficult there would be like 10 people who play them, like monks. Since it's total faceroll, and insanely OP, it's why you can't throw a stone without hitting 50 bards.
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  6. #36
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    I'd say in order from easiest to hardest (and ignoring the difficulties of melee)

    Bard > Blackmage > Dragoon > Summoner > Monk

    Given you do count normal melee issues, then i'd say goon MIGHT be higher then summoner, but given a straight up fight its quite easy to pull off compared to summoner.

    Bard and Blackmage are by far very easy to play, BLM being perhaps a bit more simple then Bard though management of mana and lack of mobility I feel pushes them to be slightly harder. Both are very easy to pick up and play and be generally lazy with.
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  7. #37
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    I will always put melee classes over Summoner because summoner is 100% static.

    You will ALWAYS know exactly which button to push, and it is easy to plan ahead for situations.

    It is much more difficult with monk and dragoon, because a dragoon out of position can't hit their buff(s), and a monk out of position just does no damage.
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  8. #38
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    Cally Evergrey
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azazela View Post
    Summoner needs to monitor DOTs. So skip that one.
    Not to mention dealing with your pet. That said, it's not the most lazy class, but i do find it one of the most fun. I just have so many options that are helpful like swiftcast battle rez.

    Bard does seem the easiest, and is always wanted in groups it seems.
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  9. #39
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    Mireille Sauvaige
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    Bard for sure.

    To everyone talking about chimera and bard, you dont even need a bard for it, a paladin can stun it perfectly fine.

    Also, coil might be harder without a bard for silence but doable.
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    Bard is the best way to go about interrupting ADS in Turn 2. Paladins won't be the ones interrupting because they're busy trying to stay alive. Bard has pretty high responsibility that fight because missing one interrupt can lead to a wipe. It's more than just sitting there. You're multitasking with dodging lasers and making sure to pass rot to the right person. Some attacks have long animations like bloodletter. If you're caught in the wrong animation, you won't have time to use blunt arrow before it's too late. Blunt arrow has a long cooldown. If you screw up and interrupt the wrong skill, it won't be up in time when you need it.

    For Turn 4, Bard has to be careful with its TP management. AOEs are absolute must for killing the enemies as fast as you can. Even with Invigorate, you're going to be low on TP most of the battle. It's also a very strict dps race so popping Paeon is risky. You can't spam aoes like crazy without watching your TP, or you will run out even with Invigorate. Then you'll be unable to attack during a dps race and cause the group to wipe. Black Mage definitely has the advantage that Turn since they can use their aoes all they want and never worry about MP.

    Bard isn't so easy once you get to Coil. Not to say the class isn't easiest, but if you think it has no responsibility or can just mash buttons then you're mistaken.
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    Last edited by LunarEmerald; 10-08-2013 at 07:32 AM.

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