Is 1-20 Too fast?

[Kilta_Firelotus]

3 days of playtime is a month playing 3 hours a day. This is not really casual. I think you'll have to stretch it to 2 month if you want to use this qualifier.

In fact, 3 days to max level is the current standard for solo progression (in Rift or WoW, for instance). You can level faster in those games by doing group content.

Here, I was advocating 3 days of playtime doing a group based content to max a single job.

Since we are not really supposed to play a single job, it looks like a good compromise to me: allowing everyone to get a rank max in 2 or 3 months (the worst case being a casual playing in solo), yet requiring more than a whole month of playtime to max every single class.

I think the whole balancing should work around this idea: a casual player (1.5 days of playtime a month, maybe) playing in solo should be able to level a single job to rank max in less than 2 months. This, of course, including rest xp/fatigue, whatever they decide to call it here.

If you don't at least balance around that, you will never have more than hardcore dedicated players on this game, which is not something we want, I guess.

no i mean literaly 3 days. DCUO at launch was 1-30. which is 100% soloable. By a week EVERYONE had 1 30 working on a new character as of launch. by the first mnth people had 4 level 30s. MMO are NOT fast games. your numbers is for single player games not mmo. They want ppl loged in everyday to justify a fee. even if its for 2 hrs. the faster you hit max level the less you have to do. Yet the mindset is ppl want to level up fast. Gamers now a days beat games fast. And basicaly want a no grind mmo (which doesn't exist.) MMO are ment for PROLONGED game play not fast game play.

If you want to se a no grind mmo play DCUO. only "grind" is for gear, and that is if people allow you to do the content.

[AlexiaKidd]

no i mean literaly 3 days. DCUO at launch was 1-30. which is 100% soloable. By a week EVERYONE had 1 30 working on a new character as of launch. by the first mnth people had 4 level 30s. MMO are NOT fast games. your numbers is for single player games not mmo. They want ppl loged in everyday to justify a fee. even if its for 2 hrs. the faster you hit max level the less you have to do. Yet the mindset is ppl want to level up fast. Gamers now a days beat games fast. And basicaly want a no grind mmo (which doesn't exist.) MMO are ment for PROLONGED game play not fast game play.

If you want to se a no grind mmo play DCUO. only "grind" is for gear, and that is if people allow you to do the content.

OMG the 7th Umbral Era is upon us, the end is nigh, I actually agree with Kilta O.O

Even from a pure business stand point surely the idea is to keep people playing. If you make the levelling part super quick then all the players have left is endgame to keep them entertained and how long will that last. I know some people like the idea of hitting cap asap but I sit on the other side of the fence. For me I actually like levelling up, unlocking new things and working towards that next goal. However that is a department FFXIV is lacking in severely for me as when I am ranking up I have nothing to look forward to at that next rank at the minute.

For me FFXI had the perfect curve, if you don't include all the time spent LFG the actual distance between ranks and time needed between ranks was fine for me. The main thing though was that I was driven to get to that next step all the way and that made it not seem like a huge grind as there was something just around the corner if I got these next few ranks. Then once I hit cap and actually started looking at endgame it was like all that ranking up was like a huge tutorial and I had only just scratched the surface of what content was on hand. So for me that is where FFXIV is currently dropping a lot of points.