FFXIV Bitter Sweet

[IvoryFox]

1-50 is certainly too quick and spamming Blizzard II running from FATE to FATE isn't exactly a tutorial in learning your class or party dynamics. That and the economy are about the only things I'll agree with 100%. The economy is terrible, but mostly because there is no new money being generated. They take out more than they put in, eventually we're all gonna be broke.

As for endgame grinding, I personally prefer this version of endgame to FFXI-like timesinks that always had random variables involved (spawn time, claim, griefing, RMT, etc.) on top of awful loot RNG that only a small percentage of the actual subscription base even bothered to take part in. Why wouldn't you copy a game design/business model that caters to the majority of your audience rather than the minority? I am not claiming you want this game to be like FFXI, but you don't really offer up any real solutions either. Just "this is bad because Blizzard".

[Neasa]

You can believe that if you want. I certainly did read through your post; I just think that your opinions - because no matter what you say, that's what they are - are wrong.

Then it clearly went over your head, as that's not what they were saying at all. Their opinion can't really be "wrong," either.

[ufufu]

Their opinion can't really be "wrong," either.

You're right, I should have written that I "disagreed" with her opinions, rather than saying they were wrong. I still disagree with them though.

Then it clearly went over your head, as that's not what they were saying at all.

What do you mean? She seems to sing FFXI's praises several times through her post. I don't think it's far-fetched at all to come to the conclusion that she wants it to be more like FFXI. Some of her sections are straight-up about how aspects of XIV should be more like XI. Am I missing something here?

[MistressAthena]

1-50 is certainly too quick and spamming Blizzard II running from FATE to FATE isn't exactly a tutorial in learning your class or party dynamics. That and the economy are about the only things I'll agree with 100%. The economy is terrible, but mostly because there is no new money being generated. They take out more than they put in, eventually we're all gonne be broke.

As for endgame grinding, I personally prefer this version of endgame to FFXI-like timesinks that always had random variables involved (spawn time, claim, griefing, RMT, etc.) on top of awful loot RNG that only a small percentage of the actual subscription base even bothered to take part in. Why wouldn't you copy a game design/business model that caters to the majority of your audience rather than the minority? I am not claiming you want this game to be like FFXI, but you don't really offer up any real solutions either. Just "this is bad because Blizzard".

I respect that. I'm not saying it has to be FFXI time sink either you know, a nice balance between the 2 would of been perfect imo. Also I do give up ways to fix things in other threads. Where I can properly focus on 1 issue at a time. This is more or less my /rant thread.

That being said, I think most of everyone in FFXI did do most of everything. I don't know of anyone out of 7 years of playing FFXI that did only parties and "end game" stuff, Everyone I knew was always off doing very different things every day.

So, sorry about the lack of solutions other than "slow things down SE" in this particular thread.

[MistressAthena]

You're right, I should have written that I "disagreed" with her opinions, rather than saying they were wrong. I still disagree with them though.



What do you mean? She seems to sing FFXI's praises several times through her post. I don't think it's far-fetched at all to come to the conclusion that she wants it to be more like FFXI. Some of her sections are straight-up about how aspects of XIV should be more like XI. Am I missing something here?

Yes, your missing the point where its a simple comparison a game which is unlike FFXIV, but could be used as a good catalyst for balance. My ultimate point was that a balance between what we have now, and FFXI would have been a great medium.

I also said many things, and all your doing is focusing on an assumption that all I wanted it to be was more like FFXI (which I even stated was not entirely the case). Even if they do what I say in my original post, and still make it nothing like FFXI, I'd have no issues with. Yet your writing me off as FFXI die hard and ignoring to take into compliance anything I have to say because of it. I believe you rushed through the post with the notion I was a FFXI die hard, wanted it like that, and therefore didn't really think or acknowledge anything I said. This is what you showed when you wrote your first post.

[Ryuni]

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You get caught easily :P

[MistressAthena]

You get caught easily :P

XD...... They need to just remove the 1000 word limit >.<;;

[vienne]

What do you mean? She seems to sing FFXI's praises several times through her post. I don't think it's far-fetched at all to come to the conclusion that she wants it to be more like FFXI. Some of her sections are straight-up about how aspects of XIV should be more like XI. Am I missing something here?

I think you're misinterpreting what OP wrote, s/he is not praising XI, she's just pointing out that certain aspects in XI were better then XIV. XI was far from a perfect game but some features would have been more then OK to be used in XIV. Its like SE is trying to hard to make this game not be his predecessor (mainly thinking the mindless battles against regular mobs and more in particular the wards < > Auctionhouse)
But yes, this game has potential, I would like to see it reach it fullest instead of keep going on the path we're on now.

[MistressAthena]

I think you're misinterpreting what OP wrote, s/he is not praising XI, she's just pointing out that certain aspects in XI were better then XIV. XI was far from a perfect game but some features would have been more then OK to be used in XIV. Its like SE is trying to hard to make this game not be his predecessor (mainly thinking the mindless battles against regular mobs and more in particular the wards < > Auctionhouse)
But yes, this game has potential, I would like to see it reach it fullest instead of keep going on the path we're on now.

Well Spoken. I wouldn't mind seeing this game come to full fruitation of what it could be, but I think Yoshi needs to realize that focusing on Just End Game, will in fact End this game...

[ufufu]

Yes, your missing the point where its a simple comparison a game which is unlike FFXIV, but could be used as a good catalyst for balance...

Okay. I still disagree: I think a fast-paced MMO like this is fantastic and I'm really enjoying it. Combat is deep enough to be enjoyable without being overly slow and nuanced (which would present a barrier to entry for the casual player, like myself - which is what happened with XI and SE wanted to avoid), 1-50 is sure slow enough for me as I've been playing quite a bit and I'm still not to 50, I think the world presented is quite well-designed but I will agree that it would be nice if it were larger, the market is still stabilizing and... that's about it. I disagree with most everything you put forward in your original post, and I still think you just want the game to be more like FFXI. I'm sorry that people disagreeing with you seems to be such a sore spot, but whatevs.