Binding Coil of Bahamut Discussion

[Yenn]

Why does the timing matter? I guess I don't understand the problem. Are you trying to rely on running fireballs into conflag to survive? If so, you should probably look at other options for dealing with fireball/conflag.

You have to run some Fireballs into Conflag. If we soak the first two Fireballs in a row, she'll end up with full stacks of Waxing Flesh, resulting in the second conflag having 10 seconds before it explodes, which is impossible to DPS down unless you're limit breaking or maybe have something with stupidly high burst, like double BLM.

[Xilrasis]

You have to run some Fireballs into Conflag. If we soak the first two Fireballs in a row, she'll end up with full stacks of Waxing Flesh, resulting in the second conflag having 10 seconds before it explodes, which is impossible to DPS down unless you're limit breaking or maybe have something with stupidly high burst, like double BLM.

No, you don't.

You should re-examine how waxen flesh works in conjunction with the timer on fireball and conflag duration.

[Yenn]

No, you don't.

You should re-examine how waxen flesh works in conjunction with the timer on fireball and conflag duration.

So do you want to explain why we were getting 2 Fireballs between the first and second Conflag?
We spent 2 hours figuring out why the second Conflag was exploding at 10 seconds in 90% of attempts. It was because the second Fireball was coming while she still had stacks of Waxen Flesh. The result being that the stacks compounded on each other.
I'm not sure what you're doing, but if another Fireball is cast while Waxen Flesh is still on her, there's no way to survive unless you either sacrifice the next Conflag target or run one of the two Fireballs into an existing conflag.

We changed it around so every second Fireball is put into the Conflag, and we consistently survived, except for when something like both healers getting targeted at the same time happening.


Again, this is all caused by the fact that the first Fireball's timer after phase change is unpredictable. It's always cast at the same period after the first one, though.

[Xilrasis]

Snip.

Just kill the conflag like normal and eat the fireball stacks?

The waxen flesh is always still on when fireball casts... it drops right before it impacts.

We have never, ever had issues with it since we have used our modified strategy. Only one person ever in conflag, no issues killing it, and no issues soaking fireball.

[Yenn]

Just kill the conflag like normal and eat the fireball stacks?

The waxen flesh is always still on when fireball casts... it drops right before it impacts.

We have never, ever had issues with it since we have used our modified strategy. Only one person ever in conflag, no issues killing it, and no issues soaking fireball.

Maybe it has to do with server timers?
We spent like 3 hours using the strategy you're implying (soak all fireballs, burn all conflags) and 90% of the time, the third Fireball would go off just before Waxen Flesh dropped, resulting in it stacking on top of the previous stacks.
Sometimes it would go off just after it dropped, but those were very rare. It took us a while to realize the stacks were overlapping each other.

You also don't seem to understand what I'm talking about when I say that the first Fireball isn't on a consistent timer, which makes me think it's bugged.
We set a stop watch as soon as the Neurolink went down, and the times between that and the first Fireball varied by as much as, I think, 15 seconds.

[gigarit]

How do you actually soak these fireballs? And what prevents stacking of waxen flesh? The fireball just rapes us with no chance >_>

[Elvine]

How do you actually soak these fireballs? And what prevents stacking of waxen flesh? The fireball just rapes us with no chance >_>

Once again, not to be a douche... keep trying and figure it out. Turn 5 is going to be the least guided publicly..

If you aren't looking to learn on your own then just wait till someone kills and people release info on the mechanics.

Best of luck!

[Sylvanna]

Just kill the conflag like normal and eat the fireball stacks?

The waxen flesh is always still on when fireball casts... it drops right before it impacts.

We have never, ever had issues with it since we have used our modified strategy. Only one person ever in conflag, no issues killing it, and no issues soaking fireball.

Nice pun

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[Yenn]

Just kill the conflag like normal and eat the fireball stacks?

The waxen flesh is always still on when fireball casts... it drops right before it impacts.

We have never, ever had issues with it since we have used our modified strategy. Only one person ever in conflag, no issues killing it, and no issues soaking fireball.

http://www.twitch.tv/frostx/b/464077596 @ 1:28:00
Every Fireball up until this one was on time. This one, however, came early and would have landed before the previous stacks fell off, so the person who has it runs into the Conflag.
This is exactly what we're seeing, but much more often.

It sounds like your FC is just getting the encounter on easy mode or something, if this isn't happening to you.

[SezaruRei]

http://www.twitch.tv/frostx/b/464077596 @ 1:28:00
Every Fireball up until this one was on time. This one, however, came early and would have landed before the previous stacks fell off, so the person who has it runs into the Conflag.
This is exactly what we're seeing, but much more often.

It sounds like your FC is just getting the encounter on easy mode or something, if this isn't happening to you.

Heya, that's my stream! Didn't mean to have that stream public (deleted a few days ago but apparently Twitch can't delete instantly).
I can tell you though that you don't have to use Xilrasis's brute force strategy - it probably works for them because of their group composition + extra gear (they were one of the first FCs into coil). There is nothing wrong with feeding fireballs unless we later find out there is a hard enrage timer and you need to shave some time off phase 2.