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    So what you're saying is that if you had one piece of gear with +1 Dex, and another with +1000 Skill Speed, you'd use the Dex gear right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasymodeX View Post
    So what you're saying is that if you had one piece of gear with +1 Dex, and another with +1000 Skill Speed, you'd use the Dex gear right?
    There's a large difference between 10 SS and 1000, trying to compare the 2 is just trolling at this point. And to the post below you are trying to say that a player will always(or on average) hit the ability right after it comes off cd, what you're trying to say is that high end players are nothing more than robots and can hit abilities on the exact dot it comes up. Human error prevents us from being able to do so and as such you'd be lucky if you even got any kind of real benefit from .01secs off, and if you're trying to say just use a macro then you're already at a disadvantage because that is already a proven dps loss over hitting them yourself.

    Now if what you're trying to say is if a bard were to use all SS pieces then it would be meaningful then show me all those lvl 90 pieces with SS on them where you don't lose better stats. Or you could be suggesting use full toxotes and Dl, which is already much lower than ilvl 90 gear.
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    Last edited by Pellegri; 09-26-2013 at 04:42 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pellegri View Post
    There's a large difference between 10 SS and 1000, trying to compare the 2 is just trolling at this point.
    No, it was the beginning of asking at what point the SS is "worthy" of weighting. Because if not 1000, then 200. If not 200, then 100. If 100 SS is still a "large, troll-worthy" difference compared to 1 dex or 10 crit, then at what point is the difference not "exaggerated"?

    And to the post below you are trying to say that a player will always(or on average) hit the ability right after it comes off cd, what you're trying to say is that high end players are nothing more than robots and can hit abilities on the exact dot it comes up.
    Ummm ................................

    I'm not going to base any objective analysis on bad players.

    as such you'd be lucky if you even got any kind of real benefit from .01secs off,
    You'd be lucky if you even got any kind of real benefit from 10 crit, by which I mean 0.693% chance to crit.

    But apparently 10 crit is a huge, huge deal!

    if you're trying to say just use a macro
    And you suggest that I'm trolling?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasymodeX View Post
    No, it was the beginning of asking at what point the SS is "worthy" of weighting. Because if not 1000, then 200. If not 200, then 100. If 100 SS is still a "large, troll-worthy" difference compared to 1 dex or 10 crit, then at what point is the difference not "exaggerated"?



    Ummm ................................

    I'm not going to base any objective analysis on bad players.



    You'd be lucky if you even got any kind of real benefit from 10 crit, by which I mean 0.693% chance to crit.

    But apparently 10 crit is a huge, huge deal!



    And you suggest that I'm trolling?
    you have no idea what you are talking about and pretending you are an "expert."

    Skill speed is simply bad for a bard you want as little of it as possbile you do not want it weighted at all. You take it only if there is no better option. IN BiS a bard should have less then 65 skill speed simply because that is the smallest you can get with the best gear in game. Its stat weight is 0 you will never have enough on any piece of gear to make it better then any other option with less skill speed on it.

    Crit matter for bards because it is by far the strongest stat for them because of the river of blood trait. Bards have double to triple the crit of every other class because of how the mechanics of the class are. So yes crit is a huge deal..

    Here is an example of the crit a top geared bard can do on titan while still being goaled 3 times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EasymodeX View Post
    You'd be lucky if you even got any kind of real benefit from 10 crit, by which I mean 0.693% chance to crit.
    the 10 crit that equals 0.693%, what do you base that on? Anything that confirms it? Just out of curiosity since that would help a lot to know
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zleepyy View Post
    the 10 crit that equals 0.693%, what do you base that on? Anything that confirms it? Just out of curiosity since that would help a lot to know
    Crit Chance % = 0.0693 x CRT – 18.486

    Source: http://valk.dancing-mad.com/?page_id...riticalHitRate

    While it's a user-made formula, it is consistent with my current parsed CC% on my own attacks (457 CHC, I usually get just about 13% CC on an extended fight).
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