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  1. #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasymodeX View Post
    Don't be jealous I can use a spreadsheet.
    nothing special... however it is useless when you do the stat weights wrong which is what you did. For instance you gave weight to skill speed... skill speed has 0 impact until you hit a plateau where it changes the GCD, so unlesss you get some time off the GCD it is 100% useless in terms of stat value. On top of that you cannot get enough skill speed to actually have more then a marginal effect on DPS.
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    Last edited by Eckoh; 09-25-2013 at 06:15 AM.

  2. #12
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    Thanks for the awesome information, cant wait till engame to put it to use
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  3. #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eckoh View Post
    nothing special... however it is useless when you do the stat weights wrong which is what you did. For instance you gave weight to skill speed... skill speed has 0 impact until you hit a plateau where it changes the GCD, so unlesss you get some time off the GCD it is 100% useless in terms of stat value. On top of that you cannot get enough skill speed to actually have more then a marginal effect on DPS.
    By plateau, you mean ... ... 10?
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  4. #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasymodeX View Post
    By plateau, you mean ... ... 10?
    In bard land it's different than your dragoon land as far as what amount of skill speed is actually a noticeable difference and better than other secondary stats. That 10 skill speed is .01secs off the gcd which is a dps loss over crit/det/acc until cap, the problem with skill speed for bard gear is that it rarely takes the place of accuracy on an upgrade and you could get the same ilvl piece that has crit/det on it instead which blows away the skill speed. Just because it may be thrown in your face on non monk gear doesn't mean it's good just because it knocks a few insignificant .01secs off the gcd, chances are there's another piece that's much better.
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  5. #15
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    That 10 skill speed is .01secs off the gcd which is a dps loss over crit/det/acc until cap, the problem with skill speed for bard gear is that it rarely takes the place of accuracy on an upgrade and you could get the same ilvl piece that has crit/det on it instead
    Wow, really? You mean that the ~0.176 rating for SS versus the ~0.270 rating for CRT means that SS is weaker point-for-point compared to CRT around DL gear base levels?

    That's amazing~!
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  6. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasymodeX View Post
    Wow, really? You mean that the ~0.176 rating for SS versus the ~0.270 rating for CRT means that SS is weaker point-for-point compared to CRT around DL gear base levels?

    That's amazing~!
    Hence it is worthless with current itemization on bard gear because the only time SS takes the place of acc is on a single piece of gear, which you will not see a meaningful difference on. How about posting in the dragoon thread over bard thread since you seem to have little input on actual bard gear? Bards do not get the choice of having SS or any other secondary stat on most of their gear because acc is literally on 90% of it(unless you mix and match myth and allagon), dragoons on the other hand get to roll in other secondary stats and are actually able to get a meaningful amount of SS to where they will see a difference(because acc isn't even on half of your gear).
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  7. #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasymodeX View Post
    Wow, really? You mean that the ~0.176 rating for SS versus the ~0.270 rating for CRT means that SS is weaker point-for-point compared to CRT around DL gear base levels?

    That's amazing~!
    it means even giving it a .0001 rating still gives it more value then it should. it throws your spreadsheet off... you are simply throwing bad information around pretending you are good. Your "BiS" list is incorrect. You are one of the reason so many bad bards are out there you give out stupidly bad info then pretend you are smart.
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  8. #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pellegri View Post
    Hence it is worthless with current itemization on bard gear because the only time SS takes the place of acc is on a single piece of gear, which you will not see a meaningful difference on.
    Is the Garuda or Titan bow better?

    (assuming they have the same WD as xivdb indicates, which is somewhat odd to me)

    Is the Allagan chest or myth chest better assuming you stay ACC capped? Boots?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eckoh View Post
    it means even giving it a .0001 rating still gives it more value then it should. it throws your spreadsheet off... you are simply throwing bad information around pretending you are good. Your "BiS" list is incorrect. You are one of the reason so many bad bards are out there you give out stupidly bad info then pretend you are smart.
    Lol. Sounds like hardcore jealousy to me.
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    Last edited by EasymodeX; 09-26-2013 at 03:38 AM.

  9. #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasymodeX View Post
    Is the Garuda or Titan bow better?

    (assuming they have the same WD as xivdb indicates, which is somewhat odd to me)

    Is the Allagan chest or myth chest better assuming you stay ACC capped? Boots?



    Lol. Sounds like hardcore jealousy to me.
    Titan bow is stated better by far while having a better auto attck speed to make barrage a better DPS cooldown. Myth Chest is always better even is ACC capped, and the myth boots are crap no matter what.

    If you were a smart as you want everyone to think you are you should know the answers to these very very simple questions. The Allagan chest is so bad its not even a DPS upgrade over the crafted gryphon chest. Getting ACC capped on a bard is a joke.

    The real terrible thing is you are not even a bard and you are trying to sound like an authority on bards... hell you have never been in coil you have no relics you have no experiance in anything you talk about yet you are screwing of people who are actually trying to learn about their class.
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    Last edited by Eckoh; 09-26-2013 at 03:44 AM.

  10. #20
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    Why are you trying to keep other Bards down?
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