Fishing has too much RNG

[Reika]

I'll agree to this crap RNG when they make more than just about 10% of the catchable fish useful, and when Fisher gets use for the GP it has, and when spearfishing comes back. Basically I'll agree with the state of fisher when they finish the damn class.
Look @ bring back alchemy and culinarian crystal creation thread. ARR fishing and recipe amounts is garbage and lazy compared to 1.0.

And I cant still fathom how despite one of the reasons people hated gathering was because they didn't get what they aimed for, "Gathering had too much RNG" yet people are apparently settling for only the other 2 classes losing the garbage RNG, but fishing actually getting more RNG. None of the gathering classes are perfect, and fishing is the worst.

[Mifuru]

I don't give a damn about real life fishing. I'm sick and tired of wasting my time out here trying to hook a damn full moon sardine at night HQ so I can get a silver shark for crafting, and hooking every damn thing else far more often no matter what bait I use.

I think it's good like this... there ought to be a challenge somehow..

[Reika]

RNG has never = challenge... Challenge would be a minigame that to win, such as fighting the fish and tugging and reeling at the right times, or your line breaks. I know many a game with a fishing system that did just that.

[Aleczan]

I agree that SOME of the baits has too many possible catches, making it quite hard to pick a specific fish. But I think it is still manageable. It gets frustrating sometimes, but I believe that after getting used to fishing, getting to know the bait/target combination, and learning where the prime location is, I will SOMEDAY manage to get any fish I want any time I want. I am still learning to manipulate my fishing and it does not seem easy. But I am willing to try. I personally think that 2.0 fishing system is FAR better than 1.0. I really love the new system. And I believe there is a way to work around this upsetting wide range of catches.

I've been through similar upsetting experience today. I tried to fish Red Coral for a GSM who contacted me. First, I went to North Bloodshore for it because the bait people said to catch Red Coral (Herring Ball) is sold at Costa Del Sol. After an hour, the result was totally disappointing. I caught only 3 Red Corals and a crap ton of other fish. Problem is, that spot has 9 fish. So I moved to Sapsa Spawning Ground, and the rate of hooking Red Coral was slightly better, as that place has only 5 kinds of fish.

I am eyeing the Isle of Umbral now, but I have to finish more main story quests first. There is a spot there that has Red Coral and only have 4 kinds of fish total.

Though I can put up with current range of catches, I admit that I feel it would be nicer if higher level baits won't catch (or catch less) those very low level fish. It seems kind of a waste to have a level 3 Lominsan Anchovy hogging up my level 45 Glowworm. LOL. But if this is not going to change, then meh, I will just have to find the best combination for aiming at specific fish. Tough luck ><;;

[Reika]

It would be super hilarious if they were using fishing RNG and the presence of fish that are used in crafts that have a less than 15% chance of being obtained to see who would actually tolerate such systems. Then they will justify nerfing all other gathering classes to be the same. People who settle for shit RNG systems can make it happen.

Hell, during beta the gathering system for botanist and miner was just about a complete gamblers system in the first place. I bet they really want a reason to change it back to that.

[Shadygrove]

I might be late to this discussion but I have been able to isolate specific fish by using lures. Unfortunately I cannot isolate economically worthwhile fish or I would remember the exact name and place. Crecent Cove was where I first discovered it. Spotted puffers can be isolated by using mythril spoon lures or spinners, I suspect lower level flashy spoon lures too.

I was just discovering new fishing holes and seeing what bit, rotating through lures and bait.

You can weight your choices too. Several lures / baits will land Hammerheads in the Silver Bazaar but heavy iron jigs get the ratio of hammerheads / junk fish. Fishing for Red Coral in outer Sahaginistan the sinking minnow has a better catch rate than the heavy iron jig. (This is a good thing, I hate jigging while stealthed.)

[Maku]

Hell, during beta the gathering system for botanist and miner was just about a complete gamblers system in the first place. I bet they really want a reason to change it back to that.

It makes perfect sense that we can select what we harvest as Botanists because we can see what we are trying to harvest. The V1.0 system was horrible and we couldn't be more happy with the change to the system even if it does allow for an overflooded market. But since I only harvest for myself and friends and don't ever sell stuff on the MB it isn't an issue for me. There is no reason for a nerf to our system.

There is a very good reason to boost the fishing though by making lure/bait more exclusive. Real life fishing you can chose bait/lure that certain fish like and you will get that fish often but you will always get that stupid fish that you didn't want. They just need to increase percentage of the selected fish and decrease significantly the % of the other fish in the area based on lure/bait.

[Zeille]

There aren't that many fish that are valuable, but the ones that are you can use the right bait and catch them 100% of the time...

Black Eels.

Tried a lot of baits during night-time and not a single one will net you this fish reliably. All of them will pick up the whole slew of fish below Black Eel in the list. Bass Balls and Floating Minnow seemed to have the best catch rate, but you won't even be close to 50%, let alone 100%.

[whycantiusebetaforumname]

Yea fishing is a bitch unless you want silver sharks or something with a low level base fish

[Firetta]

Yeah, I find fishing causes a lot of inventory troubles. I was trying to do a GC provisioning mission and found the most convenient place to catch La Noscean Perch was just outside of Summerford Farms. It sounded like I might have the best luck with the Chocobo Fly, but I was only lv. 20. In any case, I sat there fishing with lv. 15 bait just west of the Farms and I kept getting stuck with random crayfish, chub, and dwarf catfish, both NQ and HQ. There are six fish in that river, which means I need to have 13 open slots to cover the NQ and HQ (you can't fish with no empty slots), or continually manage my inventory. Why do I randomly catch lv. 2-4 fish when using lv. 15 bait? It's ridiculous!