Cultural Differences, North American Strangers

[Sunoske]

NA group will band together if they "need" something of value. They always run off first killing everything, they don't sleep the mob, the tank are clueless, and generally people do not read You would think it would be easier on NA group - but dealing with people who go "don't tell me what to do" is enough to make you want to switch server.

And where do you get off saying that? o-o I'm almost always in a party or trying to help people, not all Americans are the same and your just ignorant for saying that o-o troll is a troll? I know how to play games, tanking, dps and healing, just because your on a different part of the world doesn't mean you know how to play better.

[sasakusaku]

Not sure what you mean, Yoko....the story progression line already forces you to do trials and dungeons with others; if you want to continue on, you have to group...there is no way around it unless you just fate grind to 50 which is actually grouping as well.

[Yoko_Kurama]

Sasakusaku, I will try to clairfy, I'm not really a mean person so i'll try to clear precisely what I mean. Through the story progression you only are forced to group with strangers temporarily, fates and DF last from a few minutes to an hour and you never see these people again unless you go out of your way to try to friend everyone you see in a fate or dungeon. What i'm talking about is that there should be mechanics which promote real grouping on your server, of the sort where you need to form bonds and real friendships with like minded individuals just to progress through the game. Some people play mmos because they want to be the most badass and show off their gear. Ya know, i can be badass by playing Devil May Cry...I play mmorpgs not just to play a fun game, but primarily to be SOCIAL in a fun game. In this game you are not really urged to make real bonds until you get to the point that DF during end game content becomes almost a negative. Do you see what I mean here?

On the other hand, when i read about the DF and fate situation on JP servers, as soon as you get into a DF dungeon people are automatically chatting and saying things like nice to meet you and such and so it appears that on their side, the mechanics we have work well to form friendship relationships for them via random stranger grouping. That simply isn't the case on our end.

[Jayrune]

So what I get from the OP is that the OP thinks that players should be restricted in their options and forced to play the game in a way that requires people to take the time to form groups of people that get along with each other, instead of simply letting players who want to form groups of people that get along with each other do so and those that do not want to do that to not have to do that.

I cannot agree with or support the assertion that one group of people should be forced to do something for the benefit of another group, MMO's can be fun for the solo player too and you don't have to worry about them. If you want to be social, then be social.

I suspect that this is actually just a veiled reference to trolling via duty finder, where a tank will exit mid fight cause he/she is pissed off or likewise for a healer. I would agree that trolls need to be dealt with but i do not think restricting the options of the entire playerbase is the appropriate response.

When you say it like that it definitely makes my post seem pretty bad, but in my experience, the mmos in which you pretty much weren't going to get very far on your own although they were a pain...in the end those were the games which to this day I still have the people who i grouped up with as facebook friends and we go from game to game because we remember the hardships and accomplishments we went through to get to and conquer end game content etc..

I personally feel that grouping oriented gaming is in the end a much better system than a solo oriented game with the random stranger grouping and completely optional make a friend here and there scheme.

Fair enough, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[Vilhem]

Final Fantasy XI was also a lot more of a challenge than this game is so far. I remember how hard it was just to break the level 50 cap barrier with the three items you had to get. Pretty much nothing was given to you in that game. Everything that a player got in that game took a lot of effort.

Don't confuse challenge with mindless grinding and time lost. A lot of that "effort" was RNG, not any actual work on your part. XI has a lot of fun memories, but its time to let go of the idea that timesink=challenge.

Also, duty finder forming is pretty much going to be frustrating from Titan onwards (maybe Garuda too). By Primals you really do need to have some kind of FC or group going that you trust. Coordination is key, especially if you want to take on Coil. That one isn't even available in Duty Finder.

[astrobear]

Thank you for proving my point.

which point is that?

that im a meanie bear?

im sorry that you are confusing being direct and honest with "mean"

i treat everyone i meet with kindness except toward who lie or is just downright unhonest

[Yoko_Kurama]

So what I get from the OP is that the OP thinks that players should be restricted in their options and forced to play the game in a way that requires people to take the time to form groups of people that get along with each other, instead of simply letting players who want to form groups of people that get along with each other do so and those that do not want to do that to not have to do that.

When you say it like that it definitely makes my post seem pretty bad, but in my experience, the mmos in which you pretty much weren't going to get very far on your own although they were a pain...in the end those were the games which to this day I still have the people who i grouped up with as facebook friends and we go from game to game because we remember the hardships and accomplishments we went through to get to and conquer end game content etc..

I personally feel that grouping oriented gaming is in the end a much better system than a solo oriented game with the random stranger grouping and completely optional make a friend here and there scheme.

[Ssuusshhii]

I don't see the problem. Even when I was using dungeon finder, the incentive to not be a tool and be nice with others is that it's more enjoyable and effortless than slamming a bunch of people you know nothing about for no gain. The story continues level 50 and onwards and encourages you further to form a community once you've gotten a feel for the game.

Also, if you don't care enough about your opinion to do some research (over a large and sensitive topic) and actually substantiate your claims, I fail to see why you posted it, why you bumped it, or why you feel you're knowledgeable enough to give advice to SE when you don't even know what you're talking about.

[Alpheus]

I stopped reading the initial post when I hit the whole Nuclear Plant Crisis v. Katrina thing it just rubbed me the wrong way. I'm tired of this trivializing of individual actions of goodwill just because the frat boys/jocks gave you the MMO equivalent of a wedgie or w/e the hell you wanna call it. Stop with the pedastaling of one community over the other it accomplishes nothing and makes you look like a child who can only think in simplistic good v. bad terms.

[sasakusaku]

which point is that?

Trying to edit but this site loves to bug out requiring me to restart web browser all the time.

Anyways, my point is: you treat your fellow FC players well which is great but I am willing to bet you treat others outside your little circle like dirt. Your profanity laced response to me proves it.

Now feel free to chest beat more and call me names; I won't be replying to you no more since you are looking for a fight. Bye bye.