Patch 2.1 - Leaving Group Penalty

[KisaiTenshi]

Players with zealous and elitist attitudes are consistently if not commonly leaving PRIMAL encounters because of a single wipe, and on top of that, many of these individuals being tanks are allowed to queue immediately and get back into the encounter with VERY LITTLE wait time, if any at all.

People are elitist? Color me shocked :/

The 15minutes are already too much, joining Titan everyday through duty finder with tanks below 5k hp (even though the boss crits above 5k) and dps doing less dmg than I do in healing gear....why do I need to waste my time if people are joining a gearcheck fight completly undergeared not even able reading a single guide or watch a video?

Then you're part of the problem. Form a party on your server and go spank Titan instead of trolling people.

There is no such thing as a gearcheck fight. If you are under-geared for a fight, that should be something you experience, and then come back to. It should not be left to trolls who join and leave, or join and do nothing.

Here's my suggestion:
Every time you leave a fight, add a permanent requeue penalty that ticks down only after successfully completing the dungeon. So if you leave two consecutive fights, you now have to wait at least 30 minutes before being requeued for all dungeons on that class. This should also apply to joining parties in the field.

How to make everyone happy:
a) Make a "X wishes to withdraw" prompt, which results in the entire party leaving the instance if all players agree. This will not result in a penalty.
b) Make a "X wishes to replace Y" prompt, which results in T being kicked only if there is a replacement waiting. Y will not get a penalty.

Related issue: People who join and do nothing is solved with B, but this should be controlled by the instance, whereby if the player is not in the boss room they will be automatically kicked if the boss is defeated without them.

[ufufu]

If you are under-geared for a fight, that should be something you experience, and then come back to. It should not be left to trolls who join and leave, or join and do nothing.

Here's the thing: if you or multiple people are under-geared you're going to cause your party to wipe, which, really, is wasting everyone's time. What is an individual player who is properly geared and properly prepared for the fight supposed to do? Keep trying (and wiping) with the undergeared players until the timer runs out? It's easier and takes less time - for everyone involved - for people to just leave.

This should also apply to joining parties in the field.

And that's totally insane.

[KisaiTenshi]

Here's the thing: if you or multiple people are under-geared you're going to cause your party to wipe, which, really, is wasting everyone's time. What is an individual player who is properly geared and properly prepared for the fight supposed to do? Keep trying (and wiping) with the undergeared players until the timer runs out? It's easier and takes less time - for everyone involved - for people to just leave.

That is not your responsibility as the tank. Your responsibility as the tank is to prevent the other players from taking damage. The only person that needs a "gear check" is the tank. If the rest of the players are under-geared you're not going to solve it by leaving and rejoining. How are people supposed to get the gear if you keep abandoning them in the first place?

Ok wiping on ifrit is just pathetic I have seen it done by 7 people all fresh original AF gear. I'm sorry if people don't look into boss fights like these via the wiki or youtube but some people myself included hate spending a hour on what should be a 20 minute fight. Being new and just completely unprepared are different and it's normally unprepared people that makes us leave. It's not elitist it's just not enjoying wasting time with repeated deaths or just not having time for teaching the fight at the moment.

The Primal fights are different. If you can't win, then you're not prepared.
The following things should not be required to play a game:
a) Strategy guides
b) Wiki's
c) youtube
d) google/bing/etc

Everything you need to play the game should be provided by the game's content. Nowhere in the game does it say you can only play a Primal by having all your gear crafted/materia or Unique/materia upgraded. If such were required, then the game would simply not allow you to join in the first place. You can in theory join a dungeon with no gear but your weapon, but you're unlikely to complete it. Gear is not taken into consideration when doing dungeon instances or FATE's. You do realize that the game not only Sync's your level, but it syncs your gear too right? There's no point in trying to go in over-geared when the game doesn't permit you to.