9 Coke required now? (or other)

[oceanlord]

2 troll detected in last 2 pages

[Reika]

>< lost 9 coke when synth cancels before I had done any actions, just as a warning to anyone who realises seconds after starting they didn't add the hq mats, dont go and cancel it wont return mats to inventory.

Actually if you press quit before performing any crafting actions it wont really use your mats.

Do you know what a troll is? It's not someone who disagree's with you and provides justification for their beliefs. If you don't want to debate my point of view then just say so. The insults are unnecessary.

I did the simple math and found that for pieces that require one 2 star material it was much more efficient for me to make gil to buy the pieces then to spam dungeons AND I end up with better gear. I sold one hq robe with penta meld for 2.5m which was enough to for me to craft another hq robe with 5x materia (better materia this time around) and an hq belt w/ x5 materia and still had money left over the sale.

Reika, I completely agree with you that the pieces that require two 2 start materials is not is not balanced when casters can 5/6 pieces with only one of those materials, and it can be used on multiple jobs. If they were(and need to) to equalize the materials (maybe even make drg/mnk/brd gear a little cheaper since they can't share) then no I don't I don't think the current price of coke is to much. But not all pieces require two materials and it's those pieces that I believe are worth crafting vs farming dungeons.

The problem is they aren't. The only 2 pieces worth farming mats for, as stated earlier in the thread, are heavy darksteel armor and heavy darksteel flanchards, as they are the only 2 pieces that cost less tombs to create than their darklight counterparts take to obtain. To make the vanya robe and hat, which you will need to make both to be better than darklight cowl (or you can sub the hat with a rosegold circlet), it takes 2250 tokens, vs darklight cowls 1300. That is the "simple math" i didn't see you doing. None of the other pieces are worth the time. I challenge you to just delete all the Grade 3 and 4 materia you have from 1.0 and then come back and tell us that they are worth the time. Even the heavy darksteel armor and flanchards are only worth the time IF you get the materia afterwords, and it would be a damn shame to waste the armor on grade 3 materia, which is what you will see rather than grade 4 on any of the new servers. G4 is too rarely created and ilvl55 take a very long time to spiritbond. Have you gone out and done any battle gear spiritbonding yet?

[Kamaru]

I did not have any cracked materia from 1.0. All my materia was stored on my brother's account who was killed between the downtime of 1.0 and 2.0 and thus his account never got migrated. I know the token price and all I've been pointing out is that you don't have to farm tokens. The items are not bind on pickup. You can buy them from the AH. So if it's faster for you to farm up the gil to buy the materials than it is to farm dungeons, as it was for me, then some the pieces are worth it. Also, I have ran less than 10 dungeons and spirit bound 3 sets of ilvl 55 gear. You will get about 30% per run especially in CM.

I'm going to run a quick check(because that's what trolls do lol), but I'm pretty sure that you don't need a single piece of materia in the crafted HQ gear for them to be equal to DL gear.

[Reika]

Well, ok man if you think your time is worth it vs getting darklight and moving on with the rest of the game, knock yourself out. You can count yourself as one of the very very few who do.

You can go ahead and put a check on Heavy darksteel armor vs Darklight armor, as it is easiest to tell that it is not as strong as darklight armor @ HQ due to the parry stat being less than darklight. Each piece of crafted does come with one of the 2 secondary stats not at cap, while darklight has them all capped.

[Rainsford]

You can buy them from the AH.

Coke is about 35k per on my non-legacy server. That's 630k gil to buy the coke required to craft the Darksteel gloves. Considering how little gil there is on non-legacy servers, it's sort of outrageous to expect this to be a viable option.

[Kamaru]

Non legacy huh? As in they didn't carry over mats from 1.0? As in someone bought that with tokens? Why didn't they spend it on darklight? Is it because they probably got all the DL they wanted but still need mytho tokens and thus generate additional philosophy tokens they can dump on crafting mats? Nah I bet that's not the case. <--sarcasm Go check the AH on the various mats. I'm betting someone is buying them. Maybe not you, but someone.

Its economics. If 35k was 1% of your total gil would you buy rather than spend 1.5 hours in a dungeon it would take to farm the tokens for one? It's a personal question and there isn't a right or wrong answer. If they price is to high then it will never sell. That doesn't mean that it useless, it means the price is to high.

[AlahnSiegrain]

I wouldnt spend 1% if that 1%=35k gil. Why? Because:

1. Its overpriced for a non legacy server(AVG player has ~100k, AVG DOL~400k, AVG DOH~300k).
2. Its unstable, both the price (35-100k in a week? lol might lose quite a lot) and recipe (we dont even know if they ll nerf it once they see how hard they failed, everyone already has ilvl70 even w/o the help of crafters)
3. Why not just farm it? And dont rush with the usual: "You lose 1,5h's worth of money you could make by crafting" cause first, crafting is pretty dead atm, specially on nonlegacy, with only melds and relics viable and second, you can meld with stuff easilly and sell the materia for LOADS(i.e. 60k quicktongue).

I had my first ARM 50 client yesterday, asked me for DS chain chest and helm. I think he/she spent about 500k/piece, mainly on coke. They were very easy to HQ-100%(used good crossclass skills tho).

If only you needed 1xCoke, the cost would be way less and crafting would feel so awesome and usefull.....*sigh*
Atm its worse than WoW's BoP crafting at 50><

At least the <50 HQs do sell........

[SukoshiSeppen]

There is zero problems with the fact it costs so much. How much darklight is say you chest piece for drg...now lets multiply that by every other disciple of was...so pld war brd drg and mnk can use the 1 piece of gear you made. How much is 5 sets if darklight in comparison? Its about using you head guys. Dint be so short sighted to think it was meant for 1 class I rest my case.

Small addition they are easy to hq and the weapons are better then most garuda titan weapons and only marginally worse rhen relic. But can have better extra stats.

[Reika]

^ has not even looked at the gear yet. I suggest you go look at them and your facts might possibly straighten out. To put it out there for you, darksteel haubergeon is lnc/drg only and so is darklight cuirass, and the same goes for healer gear, caster gear, monk gear, bard gear, and tank gear. You can't use 1 piece of crafted armor on all your classes. Unless it is jewelry of course.

And no, the crafted weapons will never get used over relics.

The sad thing is the above poster is absolutely right -- iLvL90 items absolutely trample over iLvL70 HQ penta meld Tier IVs. You might be looking at the maths and go into denial but there's something in the coding that doesn't show from plain stats.

My cure I was hitting a medium of 820 with a HQ penta meld alkalurops, when I switched to relic the medium became 990 -- a friend of mine with a Thyrus +1 was hitting 2000HP cure I crits.. The secondary stats on my alkalurops surpssses Thyrus by miles, and yet in practice it did not go the way it propitiated.

I would say the same idea goes for armor -- more defense and higher HP means a OHKO becomes a two-shot -- it is so crucial as you progress along coil.
The other sad thing is one can only obtain spiritbind with iLvL70 items while inside coil -- meaning on a new server all T4 materias will be coming from coil spiritbind PTs -- further invalidate the viability of materia-melded gears.

[Kamaru]

The healing gear is shared between whm and sch and the dps caster gear is shared between blm and smn. On excalibur there was an average of ~30 of the token mats of the AH all weekend with entire AH histories rolling over every few hours so it looks like they are severing their purpose. Just because you can't afford something doesn't mean it's broken. The only thing wrong with 2 star armor crafts atm is that some pieces require two 2 star mats and some require one and it's disproportion across the classes.