9 Coke required now? (or other)

[Reika]

Bump for continued mod/dev attention. If Yoshida doesn't speak of this during the mini-live letter, there better be some answers shortly after. Prefer them sooner than later, its been long enough and SE ARR devs should know by now their plan to extend the content by shafting crafters failed miserably. 2 Relics now and never needed to touch a ilvl70 craft for either of the jobs.

[Kamaru]

time = money
You can spend that time farming dungeons or making money and buy the items from the AH. Eventually people will get capped out on DL items and have left over philosophy points from farming mytho tomestones and the price will get cheaper.

Also the ilvl 70 gear is way better compared to DL when HQ'd(super easy to do) and melded (5x is not that hard because you're usually using a tier 3/2 materia by the time you get to the 5th meld). I HQ the healing hat/body/gloves/hands/belt and melded them with all x5 materia. The secondary stats stats I think are pretty close to ilvl90 secondary stats but definitely blow DL out of the water. I'd have to double check but I think from those 5 pieces I gained ~80 spellspeed ~55crit ~10det ~5PIE over DL gear.

[Kamaru]

continued
I think its going to take ~3 months or something to get ilvl90 except from coil? If you are doing multiple classes that's going to take a while before they get gear. So if you actively play another role they are a good investment. I wouldn't say you need them over DL gear, but they are a good alternative.

[Kamaru]

Calculated my Vanya over DL
MND -1
PIE +8
Determination +7
Crit +64
Spellspeed +86

VS AF+1 WHM
MND -31
PIE -27
Determination +43
Crit +64
Spellspeed +21

[Reika]

Ilvl70 does not come close to ilvl90. Dont try to compare those.

One can say a caster and dps could possibly get away with using ilvl70 jewelry at least and socketing vit, but even then, common crafted jewelry can have enough to have extra leeway on party wide damage. However a tank absolutely cannot settle for the lower ilvl especially in armor pieces. The extra def will lower your damage taken, the extra vit will of course increase your health, and the extea str will increase your damage thus agro plus extra block amount. You cannot increase any of these 3 items on crafted hq battle gear, and they are by far more important to the tank than whatever extra you decide to put on save parry.

What good are you if you are capped at ~5400 hp when the boss future bosses will hit you for that much faster than a healer can get you back up. Titan extreme you can expect that from, as his mounrain breaker on hard can already hit a paladin for 4000 on a good day.

Plys I already mentioned, but ilvl restrictions are coming, and ilvl70 crafted with all the materia in the world wont do you any good if the content requires an average of like 80.

Best not believe this stuff will be timeless. You will replace it, either with drops or with crafted of higher ilvl. The higher ilvl will win

[Cousinjimmy]

The sad thing is the above poster is absolutely right -- iLvL90 items absolutely trample over iLvL70 HQ penta meld Tier IVs. You might be looking at the maths and go into denial but there's something in the coding that doesn't show from plain stats.

My cure I was hitting a medium of 820 with a HQ penta meld alkalurops, when I switched to relic the medium became 990 -- a friend of mine with a Thyrus +1 was hitting 2000HP cure I crits.. The secondary stats on my alkalurops surpssses Thyrus by miles, and yet in practice it did not go the way it propitiated.

I would say the same idea goes for armor -- more defense and higher HP means a OHKO becomes a two-shot -- it is so crucial as you progress along coil.
The other sad thing is one can only obtain spiritbind with iLvL70 items while inside coil -- meaning on a new server all T4 materias will be coming from coil spiritbind PTs -- further invalidate the viability of materia-melded gears.

[Reika]

Yea, really no class can settle for the lower Ilvl. Everyone will need that extra HP, defenses, str, dex, vit, whatever your MAIN stats happen to be to survive the shitstorms that will happen in extreme primals and hardmode dungeons. I have Omnilex and I will never downgrade to Dues Ex Gratina just for some stupid materia. I would have to grind out sacrifice gear to even make that materia, and the item still wont be better than my omnilex. Waste of time.

Making ilvl70 crafted gear take this much pain and waste to craft really killed them for anyone with sense enough to see the above. Restating: Just get your darklight for now, get your relic, Go play around with winding coils, and you will end up with the best gear. Get some AF2 while you are at it if you like. They have killed these crafts and their viability.

I'm not saying you shouldn't at least level them up tho. If you got nothin better to do, level up your crafts and gathers. maybe someday, if they have ilvl90 (or end-game drop equivalent), crafting will become viable again, so as long as they don't think this retarded mat cost should be a norm. There ain't even no balance to the costs.

I will also agree with Jinko: I don't mind if they make finished end-game gear Untradeable, for having the ability to make better items than mere dropped SHOULD BE the reward for taking the time to level up these crafts, even if they are only for yourself.

[Wulfies]

Based on what i see, its like they are trying to phase out crafting slowly but surely. I was playing/subbing to 1.0/2.0 because the game did have a dynamic crafting/gathering system if you didn't feel like the standard MMO smash/camp. Now, not so much. It pretty much any MMO out there, best gear is dropped. If i wanted that i'll go back to EQ or something like that.

[Mireillechan]

Kinda odd they went up from ~1 tomstone required item all the way up to 9.

Other than chest armor, in most other gear you are paying x3 in tomstones alone for piece of gear vs darklight .

Also you need it to be HQ + meld some materia to make it worth :/ .

If this doesnt get changed people would just get darklight and jump to AF2 from there

[Jinko]

Based on what i see, its like they are trying to phase out crafting slowly but surely.

It does feel like this, its sad really

They need to have these items drop in CoB, Garuda and Titan, as well at least there would be other ways for the items to get onto the marketplace.

Nobody in their right mind should be spending their tomes on these mats anyway.