A Warrior Tanking Compendium?

[Pixelshader]

There isn't a *hard* enmity ceiling (well, I bet there *is* because that's just intelligent programming; it's just monumentally high), but there is quite definitely a soft ceiling.

Here's something to think about: if you could constantly maintain 1 more enmity than everyone in your party or double their enmity, would there be any visible difference? No, because the only thing that matters is that you have *more* enmity than they do. Once you've established a sufficiently large enmity cushion, all you have to do is maintain that enmity cushion while maximizing DPS. Fracture does this very well: it's a single GCD every 30 seconds, so it's *very* cheap, and it provides a *lot* of damage.

For me, that threat cushion is having roughly 1.5-2 times the enmity of anyone else in the group without seeing major vacillations from one second to the next, which happens about 15 seconds in even when I'm with damned good DPS.

Also, if you really wanted to just maximize enmity generation, all you'd do is spam Butcher's Block because, even without the extra 33% DPS from Storm's Edge and Maim, BB>BB provides enmity well in excess of BB>SE. The discussion here is about how to manage sufficient enmity generation while simultaneously maximizing damage. This is best accomplished by actually *using* Fracture since it's the best single GCD attack we've got. Hell, even if it generated *no* enmity, you would still want to maintain it constantly because it's only 1 GCD every 30 seconds.

Mathematically a blm with i90 gear vs a warrior with i90 the blm will out threat them every time. You control the enmity ceiling, the higher you raise it the more that blm can nuke. As for the non stormed block combos this is what I came up with:

Butcher's Block Combo: (300+1500+4300)x3 = 18300 (813 TPS)

Butcher's Block Combo With Storm's Eye (if the enmity table is not considering the maim buff): 300+680+1464 + ((399+1995+5719)x2) = 18670 (830 TPS)

Butcher's Block Combo With Storm's Eye (if the enmity table takes into account the maim buff): 300+680+1220 + ((399+1995+5719)x2) = 18426 (819 TPS)

Not only does it raise your TPS Storm's Eye also enhances a few of your cooldowns. You definitely want to maintain Storm's Eye Combos.

[Kitru]

You said 33% but I put it as 30%

20% increased damage and 10% reduction in resistance equates to a 33% increase in damage dealt (1.2/.9). Storm's Eye isn't a 10% increase in damage dealt; it's a ~11.1% (1/.9) increase.

[Pixelshader]

20% increased damage and 10% reduction in resistance equates to a 33% increase in damage dealt (1.2/.9). Storm's Eye isn't a 10% increase in damage dealt; it's a ~11.1% (1/.9) increase.

Ahh thanks for elaborating. Showing my ignorance a bit. Corrected the above post then. The math ends up stating that Storm's Eye buff is absolutely worth it.

[Hachiko]

The other thing about SE combo is that it's a 33% increase on healing returned via Inner Beast and Bloodbath. That is very significant, and for that reason alone it should be kept up.

Fracture doesn't have the same benefit. It doesn't increase your survivability. It doesn't increase your enmity. And the damage gained is minimal. Yes, it's only 1 GCD every 30 seconds, but it's also only a gain of about 70-90 potency every 30 seconds.

To put this in perspective, Let's say you're doing the alternating rotation (BB -> SE -> BB -> SE) which is imo best for using Fracture and probably best in terms of DPS.

You've got 4 full combos in 30 seconds. One Butcher's Block combo is 630 potency. One Maim combo is 610. So in those 30 seconds you're putting out 2480 potency worth of attacks. The "Average" potency of one of the global cooldowns is ~206.

Adding fracture in swaps one of those "average" globals for a 300 potency global every 30 seconds. It's a gain, but it's only a gain of 94 potency. When you're talking about 2480 potency over the time period, adding an additional 94 doesn't make a huge difference. We're talking something like a 3.7% increase in DPS.

Yes, it's an increase in DPS. But it's not an amazing increase.

It also ignores the fact that it's a "costly" ability to monitor, mentally. You have to track the duration on the mob, you have to ensure you're top on threat by a good margin. You have to (or should) be sure you have 5 wrath stacks. And you have to only use it in between full combos. For this reason, it should probably only be used in "comfortable" situations, such as when you aren't taking heavy damage, or you aren't having to fight for threat. (though my biggest threat competitors seem to be white mages).

Butcher's Block Combo: (300+1500+4300)x3 = 18300 (813 TPS)

Butcher's Block Combo With Storm's Eye: 300+680+1220 + ((390+1950+5590)x2) = 18060 (803 TPS)

I don't know if this is right. I'm pretty sure Storm's Eye will wear off before the 2nd butchers block hits, if you go SE -> BB -> BB -> SE -> BB -> BB as your rotation. But I could be wrong on the timing of the SE debuff going up.

[Pixelshader]

The other thing about SE combo is that it's a 33% increase on healing returned via Inner Beast and Bloodbath. That is very significant, and for that reason alone it should be kept up.

Fracture doesn't have the same benefit. It doesn't increase your survivability. It doesn't increase your enmity. And the damage gained is minimal. Yes, it's only 1 GCD every 30 seconds, but it's also only a gain of about 70-90 potency every 30 seconds.

To put this in perspective, Let's say you're doing the alternating rotation (BB -> SE -> BB -> SE) which is imo best for using Fracture and probably best in terms of DPS.

You've got 4 full combos in 30 seconds. One Butcher's Block combo is 630 potency. One Maim combo is 610. So in those 30 seconds you're putting out 2480 potency worth of attacks. The "Average" potency of one of the global cooldowns is ~206.

Adding fracture in swaps one of those "average" globals for a 300 potency global every 30 seconds. It's a gain, but it's only a gain of 94 potency. When you're talking about 2480 potency over the time period, adding an additional 94 doesn't make a huge difference. We're talking something like a 3.7% increase in DPS.

Yes, it's an increase in DPS. But it's not an amazing increase.

It also ignores the fact that it's a "costly" ability to monitor, mentally. You have to track the duration on the mob, you have to ensure you're top on threat by a good margin. You have to (or should) be sure you have 5 wrath stacks. And you have to only use it in between full combos. For this reason, it should probably only be used in "comfortable" situations, such as when you aren't taking heavy damage, or you aren't having to fight for threat. (though my biggest threat competitors seem to be white mages).



I don't know if this is right. I'm pretty sure Storm's Eye will wear off before the 2nd butchers block hits, if you go SE -> BB -> BB -> SE -> BB -> BB as your rotation. But I could be wrong on the timing of the SE debuff going up.

It will last with a second to spare. Apparently the buff is placed after the animation is over and I landed the 2nd butchers block with 1 second on the target. It's very possible that both the animation and the debuff icon are false positives. I would have to check logs which I am not going to do haha.

As for fracture, I will not recommend putting it up simply because no modifiers and as you said its yet another item adding overhead to the player.

[Kitru]

Adding fracture in swaps one of those "average" globals for a 300 potency global every 30 seconds. It's a gain, but it's only a gain of 94 potency. When you're talking about 2480 potency over the time period, adding an additional 94 doesn't make a huge difference. We're talking something like a 3.7% increase in DPS.

Fracture isn't a 300 potency GCD. It's 400: 100 for the baseline hit and 15 ticks (.5/sec for 30 secs) of 20 potency each. That's 400 Potency. Going from ~2500 to ~2700 potency is an 8% increase in total DPS, which isn't anything to sneeze at.

A *lot* of people underestimate how powerful Fracture is. Even as an additional, it's a 280 potency attack (100 + 20 * (18 / 2)) that doesn't require any wind up. That's a *damned* good attack to have. Arguably, it's the best additional in the entire game.

[Hachiko]

Fracture isn't a 300 potency GCD. It's 400: 100 for the baseline hit and 15 ticks (.5/sec for 30 secs) of 20 potency each. That's 400 Potency. Going from ~2500 to ~2700 potency is an 8% increase in total DPS, which isn't anything to sneeze at.

A *lot* of people underestimate how powerful Fracture is. Even as an additional, it's a 280 potency attack (100 + 20 * (18 / 2)) that doesn't require any wind up. That's a *damned* good attack to have. Arguably, it's the best additional in the entire game.

I'm almost 100 % positive DoT skills tick every 3 seconds, plus I just tested it and they do tick every 3 seconds. So 30 second duration = 10 ticks, not 15.

[Kiteless]

I'm almost 100 % positive DoT skills tick every 3 seconds, plus I just tested it and they do tick every 3 seconds. So 30 second duration = 10 ticks, not 15.

Yep, one tick every 3 seconds, based on the server's clock, not on any independent timers. This means that, depending on when you actually activated the skill (essentially entirely based on luck), you can lose a tick due to the DoT wearing off before the server decides to put the final tick of damage in.