Please buff Succor.

[Valiant]

For the record with current gear set up, as WHM i get atleast 170 per tick for medica II, and 260 per tick for regen. Now double that with a second WHM. Per tick minimum would be about 860 per tick. Now SCH shield. Unstackable, 390 therefore a 390 shield. 605 crit therefore a 1210 shield. Tell me how an unstackable shield is better than stackable regens. I'm curious. From what I see even one WHM with both regens on a target gets in far more health than one shield prevents, especially since SCHs don't crit as much as they should. For numbers purposes... 200 succor so 200 aldo shield and 300 crit for 600 shield. The mitigation isn't high enough to warrent use of a SCH over 2 WHMs. Simply put, nurf the ability to stack regens, fix faerie AI so I dont have to stop my casting to cast Embrace, widen the range of Sacred Soil, and I'll call SCH on par with WHM. This will also force WHM and SCH in endgame more than using SCH when you can't find a second WHM.

[ApolloGenX]

For the record with current gear set up, as WHM i get atleast 170 per tick for medica II, and 260 per tick for regen. Now double that with a second WHM. Per tick minimum would be about 860 per tick..

That's great for a tank- unless you are actually suggesting whms are rolling regen on the entire raid group... in which case time and mana would be issues- especially for spike damage..taking the time in the middle of a fight to try to recast regen on the entire raid... with two whms... well.. you are better off GCD wise just spamming medica...

Is that what you are implying? That WHMs are rolling regens on the entire raid through entire fights? I just want to make sure I understand the "math" correctly. Because you are not including the hps/second when you are including a rather large amount of setup/cast time on 8 regens. Have a scholar casting succor during that whole time... THEN do the "math".

Or is this just "on paper" talk?

[Valiant]

That's great for a tank- unless you are actually suggesting whms are rolling regen on the entire raid group... in which case time and mana would be issues- especially for spike damage..taking the time in the middle of a fight to try to recast regen on the entire raid... with two whms... well.. you are better off GCD wise just spamming medica...

Is that what you are implying? That WHMs are rolling regens on the entire raid through entire fights? I just want to make sure I understand the "math" correctly.

Being that most fights are aoe heavy and if you have idiot dd, then yes it is more viable with 2 whms for better survivability than whm + sch. Solely do to the health restored from regens assuming both medica 2 is popped off plus atleast one regen, and 2 regens after a heavy hit since regen alone heals for more than 1 cure1.

[ApolloGenX]

Being that most fights are aoe heavy and if you have idiot dd, then yes it is more viable with 2 whms for better survivability than whm + sch.

Okay, so the assumption is that you heal with a medica... and then go around regenning multiple dps... because? Why? You assume the regens will just tick instead of be sniped? So, after massive damage, it makes sense to use single target regens on multiple targets instead of a couple quick group heals? Seems to me like a waste of GCDs...past 2 or 3 people, you have left others at low health for a while... so it sounds like you might need to pre-hot before the damage spike... and that requires rolling regen.

What fights do you just spend your time spamming regen on all your raid mates and then (if it hasn't expired by target number 8) casting medica 2? I would like to know?

Please prove this "math" with a use case. I keep hearing "Regen" tossed around with "group heals"... please explain when and where you use regen (not the medica 2 regen) as a group heal.

[Valiant]

Okay,

Please prove this "math" with a use case.

with 2 whms.. why not... did it that way in 1.0 with van darnus... regen kept people alive quite well due to tick potency.. 2.0 is no different medica 2 plus regen even from 1 whm is better than 1 aldo shield. and i already gave you the math from my sch and whm... my own medica2 + regen heals for more than aldo prevents. til that is nerfed or sch shields can stack 2 whms will always be more viable then whm sch

[ApolloGenX]

with 2 whms.. why not... did it that way in 1.0 with van darnus... regen kept people alive quite well due to tick potency.. 2.0 is no different medica 2 plus regen even from 1 whm is better than 1 aldo shield. and i already gave you the math from my sch and whm... my own medica2 + regen heals for more than aldo prevents. til that is nerfed or sch shields can stack 2 whms will always be more viable then whm sch

Why not? That's not an answer- I told you mana and GCDs. Maybe medica 2 + regen is great for healing on the tank during AE... of course you ignore lustrate. Now, tell me where you apply Medica 2 + regen to the entire group. You were talking about group heals.

Where? Tell me the fight you spam regen and medica 2 on the whole raid.

[Valiant]

Why not? That's not an answer- I told you mana and GCDs. Maybe medica 2 + regen is great for healing on the tank during AE... of course you ignore lustrate. Now, tell me where you apply Medica 2 + regen to the entire group. You were talking about group heals.

Where? Tell me the fight you spam regen and medica 2 on the whole raid.

lustrate requiers Aetherflow... now if you are gonna add that ill add benediction.. longer cd but heals 1 target to full.. better than 60% every min