Please buff Succor.

[ApolloGenX]

If succor was buffed to be a group spell as powerful as medica2 plus rolled regen all in one cast- or if SCH group heal was just powerful as whm- why would you ever take a whm for anything?

Optimal would shift from SCH + WHM to SCH x2 and the game would have a very clear alpha healer. SCH would do everything a whm does... plus shields, mitigation, mana, and healing on the move with pet.

It seems to me the only way to address stacking without making SCH OP is to make WHM medica regens overwrite each other... with the more powerful one overwriting the weaker one. That would preserve the ideal SCH + WHM, while making stacking WHMs less attractive.

[Eriane]

If succor was buffed to be a group spell as powerful as medica2 plus rolled regen all in one cast- or if SCH group heal was just powerful as whm- why would you ever take a whm for anything?

Optimal would shift from SCH + WHM to SCH x2 and the game would have a very clear alpha healer. SCH would do everything a whm does... plus shields, mitigation, mana, and healing on the move with pet.

I'm not saying sch needs a medica 2 or a medica 2 equivalent. I think most would just like their aoe succor to actually be as effective as medica 1. Correct me if i'm wrong but the issue is once the shield is up they are trying to refill health with half the potency of a medica no?

[ApolloGenX]

I'm not saying sch needs a medica 2 or a medica 2 equivalent. I think most would just like their aoe succor to actually be as effective as medica 1. Correct me if i'm wrong but the issue is once the shield is up they are trying to refill health with half the potency of a medica no?

Does the pet have any AE healing abilities? (Isn't whispering dawn an AE regen potency 100?)

Also, the reason they are healing half, is because half is a shield.. so if they have healing added, it would be stronger than medica. With pre-shielding, some of the damage should have been absorbed already, so there is not as much damage to heal. Theoretically.

If you make the heal increase if a shield is present to be equal to medica, then you basically get medica + a shield. You have an adaptive heal that is superior to medica.

[Eriane]

Does the pet have any AE healing abilities?

I sincerely apologize as i am a ignorant white mage. i have no clue but i think so.... problem is... Fairy is hard to control so i think many are not even factoring it in.

[Eriane]

Does the pet have any AE healing abilities?

Also, the reason they are healing half, is because half is a shield.. so if they have healing added, it would be stronger than medica. With pre-shielding, some of the damage should have been absorbed already, so there is not as much damage to heal. Theoretically.

If you make the heal increase if a shield is present to be equal to medica, then you basically get medica + a shield. You have an adaptive heal that is superior to medica.

Agreed.... but we would still have medica 2 and regen. Scholar would have a one time shield and medica.

[ApolloGenX]

Agreed.... but we would still have medica 2 and regen. Scholar would have a one time shield and medica.

They would have a shield and medica... and pet heal. I understand if people are ignoring it, but the pet is an important part of the class and if they aren't working (which I think they are not working very well)... then with part of the class broken, you can't really judge the ability of the class.

^^^To the above post, I certainly think that an unused shield could convert to healing on expiration for any unused amount without a problem. If the problem is that shields are popping from absorbing, then they are working... but if they are just expiring, then they should heal for the unused shield amount, imo.

[kronpas]

A shield is still a shield, it will go away after its duration expires, then we are left with a unhealed party member. A WHM do the same thing with medica 2 will result in a fully healed one. Our only choice is to keep spamming Succor which costs us massive amount of mana and TIME and trying to overwrite that useless shield over and over without actual benefit (since the damage is done already).

Also, may I remind you again there aint much benefit in pre-shielding in this current tier of gear. At 150 potency a pop the shield is like 200+ HP, compared to around 3.1 HP requirement for Titan HM to last through his stomps. Not even 10%HP. And it requires a regular cast time to boost. If SCH is THAT powerful in preventive department, there shouldnt be a HP req. in the first place, no? Shielding works.... but only on paper.

Does the pet have any AE healing abilities?

Also, the reason they are healing half, is because half is a shield.. so if they have healing added, it would be stronger than medica. With pre-shielding, some of the damage should have been absorbed already, so there is not as much damage to heal. Theoretically.

If you make the heal increase if a shield is present to be equal to medica, then you basically get medica + a shield. You have an adaptive heal that is superior to medica.

At its current state, it DOES not. Thats why I was repeatedly telling you to actually try a SCH to see if it works. The only AoE HoT (not even direct AoE!) it has got relatively long CD, then it spams it away the moment the tank got the tiniest of scratch. Setting it to passive doesnt help, as you need to spam embrace and as soon as you use it the fairy is back to auto mode to fire off al CDs again.

I sincerely apologize as i am a ignorant white mage. i have no clue but i think so.... problem is... Fairy is hard to control so i think many are not even factoring it in.

You cant control them during casting (so the supposedly flexibility is non existant). You can force yourself to a different play style to accommodate for the clunky mechanics, you still cant do shyt about its idiotic AI as I described above.

[ApolloGenX]

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Well, the potencies are equal... so if the shield is weak, then the corresponding heal would be weak. As a sidenote- I think the shield amount should be STATIC, the shields shouldn't depend on healing done... they should just be a shield instead of a heal. Then you would have your 300 potency ability half shield/half heal and consistent.

Secondly, I know the pet UI is borked, and I COMPLETELY agree it needs to be reworked. That is a major class issue and doesn't have anything to do with WHMs. I am not, nor have I disputed that it is anything but a major issue. (Why can't fairies take commands while you cast? That's STUPID!- Why can't you have the fairy on a completely controlled mode?... /GAG)

Like I said- relying on a pet was the primary reason I went WHM. I did not trust the AI or UI to be reliable. I am still not completely clear on why splitting your power with a pet is a good idea... especially as a healer, but whatever.

[Eriane]

At its current state, it DOES not. Thats why I was repeatedly telling you to actually try a SCH to see if it works. The only AoE HoT (not even direct AoE!) it has got relatively long CD, then it spams it away the moment the tank got the tiniest of scratch. Setting it to passive doesnt help, as you need to spam embrace and as soon as you use it the fairy is back to auto mode to fire off al CDs again.

You cant control them during casting (so the supposedly flexibility is non existant). You can force yourself to a different play style to accommodate for the clunky mechanics, you still cant do shyt about its idiotic AI as I described above.

Then i have to ask... Why are scholars asking about buffs for things like succor when they should be pissed that the fairy doesn't work.

Nvm lol

These forums are clunky. Having to edit to say what you want ends up with alot of extra posts and whatnot.

[Wolf_Gang]

The issue I'm seeing is lack of WHM weaknesses.

WHM heals are supposed to be big and powerful but come at a cost of MP and enmity.
If 2x WHMs can spam medica without quickly draining their resources or pulling heavy aggro from tank, then why would you ever need to take a SCH to a endgame raid?

That's where I'm seeing the imbalance. WHM doesn't have enough shortcomings for a SCH to complement.