Please buff Succor.

[CronoLuminare]

Bump because I play SCH and we really do need a buff or at least a better way to control our summons. not being able to control them while casting...... this is not the year 2000.....

please and thank you.

[Eriane]

You answered one of my questions with an edit. lol. I don't think it would be game breaking for your aoe heal to do more direct healing if a shield is already up. It sounds like thats the issue. When proactive healing isn't enough you simply don't have an aoe option to just refill health. But i do think a combination of the two classes is better.

[sharazisspecial]

Did you not see my calculations? sch has to cast 2-5 spells for every whm spell because of their lesser potency. Lots of hard content is brute forced healed with a bard doing ballad. Especially since spell cancelling is unviable due to spells always going through if they reach around 80%.

Well it depends on how se fixes the pet and if they rework sch a bit. Fixed faerie would mean sch will be as good as whm at tank healing though they would still be much weaker aoe healers.
Problem is we only have 1 spammable aoe heal and we waste half its effect if we already used it. A spammable Aoe healing tool is pretty much used in every fight. Look at disco priest in wow. Has a shields and has normal healing options.

Are the dmg reduction and haste worth possibly losing for increased aoe healing

Ok so sch unique utility is sacred soil 50% uptime of 10% damage reduction in a small area for 1 aetherflow and 50% uptime on a 0.1sec gcd reduction. They could tie our increased aoe healing to eos. Perhaps rework her whispering wind , make it less duration and much less cd so it becomes more of reactionary tool Rather then 33% uptime.

[ApolloGenX]

You're telling me to learn to play when you think SCH have Succor 2? What the hell is wrong with you?

Succor cast 2, not Succor 2. I thought about editing it, but didn't. I'll give you that it wasn't super clear.

Edit: To the above post... none of your calculations have taken fairy healing into account... which is mana free healing on top of yours- problem is that the pet UI is junk.

I have fully supported fixing the pet. (Also, I think if your pet does get killed, it should blow up in a healing AE) You might as well get some benefit out of a dead pet and losing part of your healing.

[kronpas]

Fair enough on the crit. There really isn't enough room for gear customization.

If Scholars have mana issues.... how do white mages survive? Stack bards?

And i realized i referred to something with a WOW term. By heroism i mean a speed buff. I think its a fairy skill that affects the entire party? I suspect if scholars are underpowered in aoe healing its due to other skills. Are the dmg reduction and haste worth possibly losing for increased aoe healing?

Last question, how many scholar issues would realistically be fixed by not having a broken pet. Right now that is the biggest deterent for me personally to lvling a scholar.

The fairy holds most of SCH's stronger cooldowns yet its utterly broken at the moment, thats why while I'm supporting for a stronger succor, im not going so far as saying the whole class is broken. Lack of AoE healing might never be addressed fully as its working as intended, but SCH brings some quite strong supporting spells to the party. Like, for example, the 2 speed buffs at 1m CD, 30s duration when chained promise sustainable boost for the party, yet the fairy auto casts spel buff and never cast attack buff. pet AoE heal might make up for the weak perfomance of succor, and the +heal potency buff & -spell damage taken (quite significant amount) is really good (although the CD might be lil high).

The +% speed might not be real good at the moment, but its scale by % so if the stats difference between gear tiers is substantial it will eventually becomes a sort of bloodlust in the future.

But the first issue needs to be addressed is the stupid pet control mechanism. Why in the world I cant control my pet when casting spells!? The whole idea of a 'flexible' healer gone straight to the trash bin with this idiotic design.

[Eriane]

But the first issue needs to be addressed is the stupid pet control mechanism. Why in the world I cant control my pet when casting spells!? The whole idea of a 'flexible' healer gone straight to the trash bin with this idiotic design.

Is it terrible that my first thought was something like the gambit system from ff12 for pets? Lol i wonder if that would actually work. People put so much effort into making that game autoplay. Totally random thought i know. But in all honesty i agree... if the "fix" for pets is to manually control them you should be able to even if casting.

[sharazisspecial]

Another problem with the pet is its gcd. Since it has a gcd of 3 seconds that conflicts with our 2.4 sec gcd. That means after alot of our casts the faerie won't be availible for imediate command. If i give it another spell command while its mid cast it will not listen to me if its already casting and will do nothing after it finishes

[Valiant]

all SE needs to do to SCH to help it is what they did to WHM... medica 1 - 300 CP... medica 2 - 200 CP plus 100CP as regen... where as a SCH would have succor1 150 + aldo and succor 2 300 CP... not a bad idea imo... and its far better than casting succor 1, 5 times or more to restore a party... maybe even a few less mp (like WHM) for the "all heal" AoE... (so you don't mind popping it so much) then fix faerie AI... i shouldn't have to manually tell her to cast or keep her at a closer distance than listed (cause she wont heal 30 yds away like shes supposed to) and i have played games with healing AI... i like the option of under 100% especially since alot of fights do heavy aoe and succor doesnt really cover it... and most of the time people are too far apart for sacred soil.. the radius is 15 yds... if i place the center on me for arguments sake.. it wont reach most of the other range/healers since i have seen most stay futher away especially if there is a whm in the group.

[Mistix]

I think the reason why this post is called buff succor and not buff SCH adloq/physic is because we are actually discussing about SCH's AOE heal issue. Everyone knows the best combination in an 8-man would be SCH + WHM. WHM x2 combination would not fall far from the best. But SCHx2 combination is the problem. SCH just do not have the ability to quickly bring the raid's health back to safety during end game when boss spams heavy AOE damage.

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And SCHx2 is just not supposed to happen. Period. I repeat, this game is not WoW where each class ended-up with the same capacities. You're just not supposed to do Titan HM and stuff beyond without a WHM and a SCH in group. SCH pre-shield and blue bubble are invaluable, buffing those shields or the heal generated while at the same time shielding would be game breaker.

[kronpas]

And SCHx2 is just not supposed to happen. Period. I repeat, this game is not WoW where each class ended-up with the same capacities. You're just not supposed to do Titan HM and stuff beyond without a WHM and a SCH in group. SCH pre-shield and blue bubble are invaluable, buffing those shields or the heal generated while at the same time shielding would be game breaker.

hehe, you just describe the exact issue here: SCH is merely a bonus. WHM+WHM is manageable. SCH+WHM is great. SCH+SCH = crippled raid. Shield and dome aint game breaker tools, unlike WHM's AoE tool set which happens to be the requirement for the majority of hardmode fights and up. If you can find a SCH/WHM pair your run will be optimal. If not, your fallback plan is 2 WHMs, your raid might struggle, but definitely passable. Stuck with 2 SCH? Tough luck, lol.

Even in WoW healers aint equal. Holy priest shines in 25m, most switch to disc for 10m. Holy pal is always a requirement for 25m tank healing. However unlike this game priest is a unique healing class with 2 healing tree to switch at will (albeit not optimal with the same set of gear), they are willing to switch to meet the demand. Plus, WoW got an excellent fight battle designing team that allows for a very flexible healing composition (unless its cutting edge progression fights).

As I always said, level an SCH to feel the pain yourself. A WHM saying SCH is fine? Why am I so surprised?