Bard readjustment

[Subucnimorning]

Let's see it!
I would absolutely love to be proven wrong, but someone saying something on a forum isn't proof.

I solo'd coil! <--- see?

What you're saying doesn't match my experience at all, so show us your gear, show us a vid, and I'll eat my hat if you're actually telling the truth and not just trying to flop your epeen onto the internet.

I really have no video experience so yeah not doing that.

My gear: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...racter/2178528

Grouped with full DL warrior, WHM, and SMN. WHM goes cleric stance for maximum pew pew. It's definitely possible.

If the link doesn't work I blame my iPhone

[Bardo]

My gear: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...racter/2178528
Grouped with full DL warrior, WHM, and SMN. WHM goes cleric stance for maximum pew pew. It's definitely possible.

/massivefacepalm

The thread is about Bard being overpowered.
I said the lack of a DD limit break is a pretty big disadvantage in certain fights while appropriately geared.
People tried to disagree with that (albeit anecdotally).

You come in and say you can kill Demon Wall before the spawns even pop without limit break (then we find out you meant while the whole group is drastically over-geared for the content).
What exactly does that prove or add to the conversation?

Of course it's possible if your whole group is in darklight with relic weapons. That's not what we're discussing.
We're talking about appropriately geared groups with only Bard DD vs appropriately geared groups that can use a DD limit break.

:X

[mushashi]

this dude is a troll cant we report him?
the fact is bard is a support class and have the best dps period.
moreover they havent position requirement neither cast skill, OP period.
now you can try defend it as u want troll,the fact is that bard are OP as hell

[Subucnimorning]

You plain said it wasn't possible, I merely said it is possible without dd limit, which is the only thing I stated. Your point was dd limit is huge on demon wall and that you couldn't kill it before bees without it. That was the only point I was refuting.

Even when appropriately geared we didn't always have limit (speed runs), it didn't make or break the fight.

Ifrit is a different story, but yeah there is two fights I have experienced where it makes or breaks the fight depending on your composition. Ifrit and Titan (Titan only if you do 4 dps, 3 heal method). Where as the first two fights in coil bards make or break you on a number of fronts (mp regen and best option for silencing, in addition to being top tier damage).

[Bardo]

You plain said it wasn't possible

I did?
That's why two posts above your first in the thread I said "I specifically said it's not impossible, but it IS more difficult than with any class with a DD limit break."?

Care to link me to the post where I said it was impossible so I can clarify?

[Lancerz]

ROFL.
Care to share a video since you've done it like this so many times?
I've seen groups that can get it under half before spawns, but almost dead?
Get out of here with that bullshit misinformation... we're trying to have a serious conversation here. Kthx.

You've obviously never done it with 2 well geared brds then, if the demon wall isn't almost dead when the 2 bees pop then you're doing it wrong. We don't even kill the bees.

[Crescent_Dusk]

Remove the debuff from the songs. Decrease the bonus of the songs slightly, mana song is just stupidly OP.

Keep the class mobile, but make using shots while moving cost double TP. Tone down Barrage or the autoattack. Problem fixed.

[Lancerz]

I see what it is Bardo, you just started playing the game since you just joined last month and you don't have the gear or something to believe that it can be done. We don't need a video, it's a fact whether you believe it or not. You're not going through your DPS rotations correctly or something if you don't think it can be done lol.

[Seikon]

Summoners > Bards. They don't need to stand still to DPS and they can put out huge numbers, more so than a Bard who refuses to use songs.
Instead of trying to reduce Bard's performance because you cannot top them in damage, try looking at your own class and see what needs to increase. You don't do try and nerf every class ahead of your's.
Besides, a bard is high DPS because, yes, they don't have to put on songs and don't suffer the 20% damage debuff, but if they do, they are inline with every other class that brings utility to a party. The less utility you bring, the more DPS you can do. Seems balanced to me.
Bards who refuse to bring songs to the party will fail at later content.

[Kuroyasha]

and when SE changes some things about the class everyone will complain about a new class being OP.....>_>