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[Jahaudant]

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I'm not arguing that 5 melding with Tier IVs is easy, I'm telling you Vanya has the potential to be just as good as AF2 and Allagan. It isn't, as you described, "senseless at the moment".

Please also remember that it will take you a couple of months to finish 5 pieces of AF2. Think about it.

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I'm not arguing that 5 melding with Tier IVs is easy, I'm telling you Vanya has the potential to be just as good as AF2 and Allagan. It isn't, as you described, "senseless at the moment".

Please also remember that it will take you a couple of months to finish 5 pieces of AF2. Think about it.

To be honest Allagan looks soooooo much better than Vanya. But you're right, I'm yet to even see one piece of it on any server. :/

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I'm not arguing that 5 melding with Tier IVs is easy, I'm telling you Vanya has the potential to be just as good as AF2 and Allagan. It isn't, as you described, "senseless at the moment".

Please also remember that it will take you a couple of months to finish 5 pieces of AF2. Think about it.

the same time (or even more if luck is not on your side) can be necessary to acquire... soulbind... extract the relevant materia... this pose the vanya on the same time frame for acquisition (and as said it can be largely dependant on pure lack...)

to this u have to add: the large number of philosophy that u need to craft the item... the other crafting matrials... all the item that u will need for the r4 materia (that actually I've yet to understand from wich item can be salvaged since dungeon drop are almost all non convertible :/)


looking at this... and looking at the stat that are as said... similar on values but with some large hole on the ditribution (total absence of piety can really hurt... especialy a WHM... and if u use materia yo fill that hole u will be left with reduced overall stat...)

the vanya is: equaly time consuming... more expensive... similar but a little under on the stat... with less defense (that for us caster can be a little malus... not big as for tank but still a muns for the vanya)... over all a subpar equip (by little but still subpar) with higher requirment... this is what I call a bad choice... or useless... since the same (or even better less) effort award a better result...

the onlyreason someone would chose a vanya over a AF2 is:

skin... but even the vanya is not the bright of a skin... and we are under the personal preference argument...
stat personalization... that can be a plus of the vanya... if not for that BIG hole that I have previously pointed out... if only it had a resonable amount of piety to begin with and u could have simply selected to go for higher mind at the cost of lower piety or higher secondary at cost of lower primary... than it would have been a fair trade off (this only talking about stat and not the other aspect previously explained)... but as it is now the tradeoff for the stat personalization si an overall HEAVY deficinency on main stat...

so... if u still think that uselees is a bit too hard... (personaly I'm still of that opinion...) u should probably concurr that at best it can be classified as really inefficent alternative


PS: I forgot one additional aspect that is detrimental to the vanya... that is the crafter fee... if' ur not a crafter yourself (if u are than u should also compute part of the time u spent on lvl the crafting skill on the vanya cost... part since the rest can bear his fruit thx to trade board...) u will also need a crafter that will probably ask for a fee (the one I found on my server asked the astronomical price of 100k per piece + all materials cost on me -_-') + the additional fee that many crafter require for the melding...