Skip Darklight?

[Comalol]

It's like arguing with a brick wall. Nothing you are saying means Vanya is bad, or that nobody should ever use it.

In comparison with AF2/Allagan, Vanya can have:
-9 MND
-9 VIT
-2 Spell Speed
+20 Determination
+24 Critical Hit Rate

Not exactly unequivocally better, but no where near "useless", "senseless", or a "bad choice". You don't seem to understand that you aren't locked in a single type of gear... I'd love to give you a some examples where obtaining HQ Vanya would not only be the right choice, but it would be the BEST choice but I'm afraid the sentiment will bounce right off of your ignorance.

sorry mate... but really how can an equip that give me less stat... that require more time... that cost more effort... be a good choice?

I'm all open to your resoning... as before I understimated the stat of a r4 materia melded hq vanya considering it to be too much under stat... after your example i had to reconsider my point... it still is under stat (in particualr as I many time highlated the total absence of piety is really bad... and u get that at the cost of having all the other stat on equal lvl... so nothing is really compensating u for that big malus...) but less that what I expected... still... those under stat combined to the fact that it is as much if not harder to get that an AF2 makes it a bad choice... (bad choice = there is something that is better and is not harder to get... )


to me comparing the vanya to the af2 is just like comparing 4 apple to 5 apple... where the 4 apply cost more than the 5... with the difference that the 5 apple are given to u in a pack (after being controlled and passed trough a quality check...) and the 4 apple u can freely select them among the same pool from where the 5 appel have been taken...

the abilit to chose is a good thing... and I'm all for it... I'm even up for having a little less return for my ability to chose... but if i get:

less return (and not by a small margin)...
more price...
more time investment...

than sorry but again consideirng it anything else but a bad choice is really hard for me... so if u really have some example that could make the vanya more appealing than an AF2 I'm all here ready to listen to you...


PS: thx for that ignorance comment that really was useless ^^ is nice how poeple that have different idead's from u are ignorant... for me on the other side everyone that have different ideas from mine is someone that can potentialy teach me something if I listen enough... and even if at the end I end up with nothing new to learn at least that time was spent to make sure I wasn't wrong... because... you know... nobody is always right... and everyone can make a mistake ^^

PPS: in you last comparison u just fogot a -26 piety... that was the most important thing I argumented the stat disparity on ^^' also: 20 det is equal /less efficent thatn 9 mind (det seem to have a strange return) so u'r actualy trading 24 crit for 9 vit, 2 ss and AGAIN 26 piety... no matter how u look at it... that really is a big difference even if u'r going for a crit fishing build...

[Himari]

Darklight robe looks horrible. That's why I only wear it when i'm in dungeons and use the bikini outfight..

[Jahaudant]

Unbelievable. I need to spell this out to you it seems.

Let me start by explaining the difference in these tiers of equipment. Upgrading from Darklight to melded HQ Vanya is a massive boost in stats whereas upgrading from Vanya to AF2 is such a minimal increase, and if we ignore the arguably useless piety stat it could go either way to be honest.

You are perfectly correct in stating that when presented with, for example, a choice between a FREE HQ Vanya Robe of Healing and a FREE Cleric's Robe you can pick the AF2 over the Vanya without too much consideration.

What you seem to be forgetting is that AF2 requires tomestones of mythology, of which you can acquire 300 per week meaning it will take you 3 weeks to save enough tomes to purchase a body piece. The majority of the Vanya costs come down to tomestones of philosophy, of which you can acquire however many per week as you have the time or willingness to farm. The same goes for the other materials, including the materia.

What does this mean? It means that the entire basis of your argument (assuming you have to make a choice between the two) is moot. There is no choice to make. The two items cost different currencies which can even be obtained at the same time.

Let's make an example out of this.

Riv and Elis both have full Darklight gear for their WHM and they both want to improve their gear in time for when their FC starts running Bahamut's Coil in exactly 5 weeks. They both have an average item level of 461.

Elis runs AK a bunch, gets her myth tomes and by time the first Coil run starts she has managed to buy her Cleric's Robe and Cleric's Boots to replace the same two DL pieces Sweet!

Riv on the other hand has decided he doesn't want to get the Cleric's Stuff just yet and opts instead to spend his myth tomes on 1 Hero accessory, and a Thyrus +1. By itself, not exactly any "better" than what Elis managed to achieve right? Not exactly. Because Riv, at the same time as farming his myths, also accrued a boat load of philo tomes and he employed the services of a lovely crafter to make him the Vanya head, hands and body. (The easiest ones to obtain and HQ at a rate of 100%).

Now, for the purposes of comparison, I'm going to give melded HQ vanya a theoretical Item Level of 85 considering it's potential stats in comparison to relic/allagan with an item level of 90.

Elis' new item level average is 501
Riv's new item level average is 518

So because of Elis' complete disregard for her other potential avenues of growth Riv has managed to become a much stronger healer.

Note: Can't believe I just typed this.

Note 2: Remember, my only argument is that HQ Vanya is not "useless" or "senseless". Clearly it is very useful, and very good.

[ApolloGenX]

I really dislike the DL armor look.... I mean... really.

[Rainsford]

Personally, the problem I have with the crafted gear is the sheer number of Tomestones that are required to make each piece. Astral Braclets are really nice, but they require about 2,000 tomestones to craft. That's a whole lot of dungeon grinding for bracelets....

[Enticed]

If you do some maths you can see that the AK Armor + the helm for Mythology points = more MND.
You're a healer. You want MND.

What I did was get all the Phylosophy Jewelary first while farming AK.
AK will give you a decent enough set to do your first Primals.
While farming AK/CM you'll get tons of tombstones anyway, save them up.
Once you got enough points to buy the Mythology Helm, buy it.
Keep your AK armor, and replace the rest of AK items with PT bought items until you can upgrade them aswell.
After that I would personally just save up and buy the armor for 825 PTs, complete my relic quest preferably before that, then move on and buy the rest of the gear I need and then get the +1 onto my weapon!

[Rover1983]

Thats funny that some people say skip the DL body. The DL body from the looks of it(I may be wrong, correct me if I am) has the biggest jump in stats of any of the pieces. On my server, I see almost every healer now thats running AK, getting the robe first. Wonder why that is?

I have 2k Tomes saved up, just waiting to pull the trigger on what class I want to gear up. Summoner(which I probably wont due to not liking the class cause of terrible dmg and boring gameplay) or Scholar(Love the support faeries group buffs, amazing effects on them) Or another dps class like a BLM if my Free Company needs more dps.

[NadienKirisame]

Thats funny that some people say skip the DL body. The DL body from the looks of it(I may be wrong, correct me if I am) has the biggest jump in stats of any of the pieces. On my server, I see almost every healer now thats running AK, getting the robe first. Wonder why that is?

Though an HQ vanya with the right meteria can be just as good or better then the DL body... and you don't get into that odd stage where you have enough myths to buy the AF +1 body but then you don't have a head piece because well that stupid DL body is both body and head. You would either need to keep a stratego hat on hand or a vanya hat or just not use the AF +1 body/head until you can buy the next part... which is just crappy.

The cat is bemused =-.-=

[Leiloni]

Thats funny that some people say skip the DL body. The DL body from the looks of it(I may be wrong, correct me if I am) has the biggest jump in stats of any of the pieces. On my server, I see almost every healer now thats running AK, getting the robe first. Wonder why that is?

I have 2k Tomes saved up, just waiting to pull the trigger on what class I want to gear up. Summoner(which I probably wont due to not liking the class cause of terrible dmg and boring gameplay) or Scholar(Love the support faeries group buffs, amazing effects on them) Or another dps class like a BLM if my Free Company needs more dps.

When played right Summoner has some of the best damage in the game....

[Masta]

When played right Summoner has some of the best damage in the game....

she speaks the truth....summoner does crazy damage...