Bard readjustment

[Lancil_Ryner]

Ok so many people here have noticed that bard is seriously op at the moment. It has the most freedom of movement while never losing any kind of DPS. Now I don't want to say the word nerf, as this is usually taboo in any kind of game. Seriously though, it beats melee who are more prone to suffer attacks and rely on their ability to move around a mob to execute their more powerful moves. Blm suffers when it had to move around. Bard suffers from nothing. It can avoid all the attacks while remaining the top dps.

Currently songs lower damage dealt by 20%. This needs to be removed immediately. I have run into bards who refuse to use it on white mages because their damage will begin to suffer.Overall this is a terrible design. Songs should not be something a bard has to contemplate about using because he/she wants more dps rather than to buff allies.

Again I don't want to use the word nerf, but bards' damage needs to be lowered and songs need to have their debuff removed.

[savant07]

You realize summoners have their DoTs and pets attacking while moving which is the majority of their DPS not to mention they have the highest (by quite a margin if you check the other posts on the forums) DPS.

[NintenPyjak64]

Bards that refuse to use songs are bards who are not confident with their rotations or just bad at it. I can use Ballad or Peon when DPS matters and still pull top to near top DPS.

Just consider this: The increased Action Damage I and II traits (if they stack) gives +30% to action damage (if not just 20%), That's 130% base for our damage (I am not using this as +100% meaning double, I'm taking into account normal unmitigated damage or buffed damage being be 100% by default). Using a song, that only drops it to 110%(100%). There is no "loss of DPS" just a lost of increased DPS.

I have FC members who play BLM in places with constent movement (Amdapor Keep as an example) and their DPS is still high. It's not about mobility being the issue it's knowing WHEN and WHERE to use your attacks

[PessimiStick]

Just consider this: The increased Action Damage I and II traits (if they stack) gives +30% to action damage (if not just 20%), That's 130% base for our damage (I am not using this as +100% meaning double, I'm taking into account normal unmitigated damage or buffed damage being be 100% by default). Using a song, that only drops it to 110%(100%). There is no "loss of DPS" just a lost of increased DPS.

Which is meaningless since the other DPS classes have similar traits. Songs are a net loss of personal DPS, and to argue otherwise is similar to arguing that 2 + 2 = 3.

[NintenPyjak64]

Which is meaningless since the other DPS classes have similar traits. Songs are a net loss of personal DPS, and to argue otherwise is similar to arguing that 2 + 2 = 3.

The other jobs don't have abilities that drop DPS by 20%. The point I'm trying to make is that Bards using songs is not going to hurt it's DPS THAT MUCH like people think it does.

[HecatesLover]

The only time healers should be running out of mana is during Titan and Coil. If you need it for anything else then they are being careless with their mana or your group is undergeared. If you are going into Titan/Coil with a Bard too selfish to mana song then replacing them shouldn't be an issue.

[PessimiStick]

The other jobs don't have abilities that drop DPS by 20%. The point I'm trying to make is that Bards using songs is not going to hurt it's DPS THAT MUCH like people think it does.

It lowers DPS by 20% while it's up. I don't recall the uptime off the top of my head, but I want to say it's around 1/3 or so, which means singing is somewhere in the neighborhood of a 6-7% DPS decrease, which is not insignificant.

To be clear, I'm not advocating Bards not using songs when appropriate, I'm just agreeing that they are a not-insignificant DPS hit.

[Coast2Coast]

Well yea but lets say someone dies because a bard didnt play that song the party needed. It could be anyone. Now youve lost dps from an entire player and thats worth more than your puny 20%. My point is, theres always a good time to a spell. Adjust to the situation.

[NintenPyjak64]

It lowers DPS by 20% while it's up. I don't recall the uptime off the top of my head, but I want to say it's around 1/3 or so, which means singing is somewhere in the neighborhood of a 6-7% DPS decrease, which is not insignificant.

It is insignificant. Like I said I still can pull top DPS if not very top, and my FC members are not idiots with their DPS rotations. It's all about placement and rotation and I've done nothing but practice my bard rotation in most level 50 content for a few weeks. If my Healers need to spam AoEs (Garuda as an example), I'll gladly give them songs if it means we all survive (hell I even give myself TP song if I need it since I spam AoEs during the plume stages), and I'll still DPS my heart out when my DPS matters

[Bardo]

Blm suffers when it had to move around. Bard suffers from nothing.

I hate to rain on your parade, but I would hardly call the lack of a DD limit break "nothing".
Have you tried to run Demon Wall or Ifrit (Hardmode) with only Bard DD?
Not wholly impossible, but without a doubt harder than bringing other DD's that can limit break.