Loose use of the term "eliteist"

[AngryNixon]

Yes indeed. The term "elitist" is tossed around quite a bit by people who are sour at being told they need to improve (let's just say we're only talking about gear for now) before attempting something. This is just a game, a form of entertainment that we pursue during our leisure time. Some of us have jobs and so "leisure time" isn't synonymous with "all the time". When I come home and run something as easy, stupid, and boring (now doubly so with no speed runs) as AK, I hope that it will go smoothly. If there is someone new, I will explain it to them patiently and we will go on our merry way. But what I won't tolerate because this is my free time, is wiping over and over for someone who doesn't pay attention, refuses to learn, or is wholly under-geared and expects a carry. Never forget that if you're failing, you're not only wasting your own time, you're wasting everyone else's too. Have some respect for other people's time. Aren't you embarrassed at all that you're wasting other people's time? I only speak for myself when I say my time (especially my leisure time of which I am rightly or wrongly covetous and guard zealously) isn't there to be wasted by incompetent or lazy people. I'm at peace with the 15 minute timer though for dropping because I mine between queues. I think the easiest thing, and many have come to realize it, is just to drop without a word and eat the 15 minutes. It saves us berating someone and losing our shit and frankly, you didn't listen when it was explained politely the first time, no point in expending yet more time and effort.

That's probably my best advice for "elitists". Drop party without a word and move on with your life as if it never happened. This saves anyone from making angry comments to each other. They don't respect your time, why should you care about their's.

[Burstwolf]

The content in this game requires:
A. You are paying attention
B. You are always doing something (DPS, Heals, Tanking) All 3 roles don't get time to just stand around
C. You have gear to do your job correctly. If a boss hits for 3-4k, and you have 4.5k HP, you should NOT be doing the content. are not elitists, we are gamers.

Some people ,believe it or not play rpg to have fun. IF I wanted i could of had 2 lvl 50 instead of a 37.I could also make my character march in a straightt line when in battle .Not everyone wants to be an elitist

[Hed]

This post was already invalid as I read your post about HP as a tank. When I started running Brayflox I could possibly be hit by the main boss for over half of my hp and poisoned at the same time. Then hit again after all that for another 200-300 bringing me down to about 400 hp. I had almost every piece of gear from Haukke, not just pinks, mostly greens. What I did not already have I bought equivalents from the GC. Still cleared it the first time and every time thereafter. I agree someone should be decently geared but to think that one should have to have the best or better going in is just preposterous.

You should have thought of a better opening statement as well. Your OP has nothing to do with the term "Elitist" being used loosely.

[Tupsi]

I think the funniest thing about all of this is:

"Don't do content until you're geared."

In order to get geared you must do content since the people who defend the above usually don't want people in "AH gear" either since some of the better accessories to meld that won't cost you millions are the level 30-50 accessories which only goes to ilvl 55. Since the only option for people would be to spam CM/Praetorium for DL which doesn't automatically make someone good enough to do "content" since people up and leave just because they're new to it.

[Alcyon_Densetsu]

If you don't have level 49 gear and you're doing level 50 content designed for people wearing level 50 gear, you're doing it all wrong, and you shouldn't even be there.

SE is adding an ilevel requirement to que for dungeons.

Hahahahaha, that deserves at least 1 troll point. Maybe 2. Hell, here, have 50.

1. When you hit lv50, if you've done all main-story and sidequests as well, your whole gear is white (except the AF), and you have some iLv47 items (a ring and bracelets if I remember correctly. My shield was iLv42 and sword iLv46. So you've got the design wrong, for starters. By your logic, I wouldn't have had iLv49 gear, so I couldn't enter Lv50 dungeons, but then how am I supposed to get that gear? Huh...
2. But you still do get that Ifrit HM quest. I went there. When I got to tank the thing, properly, using CDs and so on: BAM, down, gg win. All in white, some iLv47 slots, iLv45 shield, iLv46 sword, and AF gear. What else were you saying?
3. SE is indeed adding an iLv requirement. Most players believe it will be iLv45 for the basic Lv50 content. Because, obviously, as you can see on some YouTube videos, AK can be cleared in swimming suit. Like that. What's that claim about iLv49 again? And actually, real good gamers are hoping for that requirement to be low enough to allow for good players to be able to use DF without overgearing content too much. That's what good players do, you know, down the content ASAP, as in "before they overgear it". But I'm sure you know that, being soooo good and everything, you just forgot not to emphasize the importance of gear much more than a good player usually does. Oh wait...

Also,

You should have thought of a better opening statement as well. Your OP has nothing to do with the term "Elitist" being used loosely.

It's totally true and shows you, OP, failed at logic here.

Worst analogy ever.
You shouldn't try that again.

Indeed. No, don't try to be logical OP, definitely, every single one of your posts fails at that. Just brag, dude, at least there's no debate.

Just a question to conclude: when you meet a player who's got the gear but fails at something, typically because it's their first time doing something, do you make fun of him/her, or do you try to be helpful and give advice, explain things? Or do you call him/her a noob and simply leave?

[Fadigre]

The most frustrating experience I have ever had with an MMO is a situation where I am doing every single thing I can do to make a fight winnable.

I work hard to get my equipment up to standard, learn the fight and work out how to cooperate with my team mates.

And then somebody walks in without making any preparations at all and doesn't feel remotely out of place or grateful for the lengths that his temporary team mates are going to to win a fight.

I think regarding game terms, Garuda is the best way to describe this. As a tank I drag her through all of the safe spots, instructing everybody to stay near her. I instruct my team when adds are coming and to break off. I'm even in direct communication with my off-tank who has them under control.

... Yet there is always somebody playing Bard who thinks because they are still in range of the mob they don't have to move with the rest of the party. I try my best to spoon feed but when somebody decides that 'there is no spoon' it's all for nothing.



I don't think I'm elitest but I do find myself in despair when the effort I put in is not being mirrored elsewhere.
I'm not trying to carry you through the fight, spoony Bard.
I'm trying to win for me and my friends.

How dare you rely on strangers to do everything for you. Does your mother still dress and feed you?



If there's anything I've found about Duty Finder it's that if there's one person not pulling their own weight, they'll be the last person to leave. If you have 7/8 good members and 1 bad one, the bad one will sit there and fester. Better players will then rage, soon you'll be left with 3 people in your group.

I just sit there and wish that one player would leave sometimes but it never happens.

I'm jumping to a conclusion but surely this one bad player knows they have a good group and should stick around, hoping to be carried.
Otherwise they'd leave like all the rest.

Just stay quiet, hope nobody notices you and they'll win it for you eventually!

[AngryNixon]

I think the funniest thing about all of this is:

"Don't do content until you're geared."

In order to get geared you must do content since the people who defend the above usually don't want people in "AH gear" either since some of the better accessories to meld that won't cost you millions are the level 30-50 accessories which only goes to ilvl 55. Since the only option for people would be to spam CM/Praetorium for DL which doesn't automatically make someone good enough to do "content" since people up and leave just because they're new to it.

You aren't differentiating between under-geared, geared, and over-geared. Comes in a few flavours and you most certainly don't have to have already done something to be appropriately geared for it.

[Ruprect]

I think the funniest thing about all of this is:

"Don't do content until you're geared."
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I think what ppl are trying to say is don't try to skip ahead an be carried because you are to lazy to grind. So this is pretty easy:

You grind Castrum to get at least all of your DL jewelry. To break things up maybe throw in some HM Ifrits. Once you have an Ifrit weapon and a couple pieces of DL jewelry, you should be able to run AK. You now need to run AK to get some drops and tokens for more DL gear. At this point you can also start running Garuda, when you get a weapon drop and have most of your DL jewelry you can go on to titan. and so on....

There are far too many people that go straight from the end of the story to AK or get carried through Ifrit HM and then go onto Garuda as they just want to get their relic quest done, they ruin the runs for everyone else and then come and cry on the forums when they are told they are not geared for content.

[AngryNixon]

I think what ppl are trying to say is don't try to skip ahead an be carried because you are to lazy to grind. So this is pretty easy:

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Skipped Wanderer's Palace. There's an entire "just before AK but better than AF1" level 50 green set in there that you can use to get the entire level 50 AK set while farming DL stuff and it all drops philo tokens while you're at it. No need to farm story instances for DL if you need some new level 50 entry stuff. You sure as shit don't need any DL for AK, of that I assure you. The problem with the gearing issue is people misconstrue what is realistic in terms of gearing with what is ideal. Ideally, you'd go into AK with AF2 and a relic, and cake walk it. Tailoring your expectations of people's gear so that it's in line with reality (and the game's own logical progression) is prudent. I think it's important, especially when giving advice to those who truly want to improve, not to severely inflate their belief of what they "need" to do content, it does them a disservice because it makes it all unrealistic and seemingly unattainable.

[Alcyon_Densetsu]

Skipped Wanderer's Palace. There's an entire "just before AK but better than AF1" level 50 green set in there that you can use to get the entire level 50 AK set while farming DL stuff and it all drops philo tokens while you're at it. No need to farm story instances for DL if you need some new level 50 entry stuff. You sure as shit don't need any DL for AK, of that I assure you. The problem with the gearing issue is people misconstrue what is realistic in terms of gearing with what is ideal. Ideally, you'd go into AK with AF2 and a relic, and cake walk it. Tailoring your expectations of people's gear so that it's in line with reality (and the game's own logical progression) is prudent. I think it's important, especially when giving advice to those who truly want to improve, not to severely inflate their belief of what they "need" to do content, it does them a disservice because it makes it all unrealistic and seemingly unattainable.

Word. /thread