Heals for Scholors need a buff

[sharazisspecial]

Scholar is perfectly balanced until you reach titan. If you haven't reached titan yet then you don't understand the drastic differences between White Mage and Scholar. Firstly you can not run with 2 scholars. unlike White mages our skills don't stack. We can't stack our bubbles they don't even refresh duration unless the next heal is larger than the first. A white mage can stack medica II with another white mage that alone is enough of a reason not to take a scholar into Titan. Why take a scholar when you can have another WHM.

The scholar is not currently balanced for the high big damage fights. You think scholar is balanced because a WHM doesn't out heal you in Ifrit... I don't even bother healing in Ifrit no one takes enough damage to warrant two healers come back and speak to me once you've been told to GTFO from Titan because of your class.

We don't need a buff just some small alterations that make us a viable option.

Just like how titan and coil shows that warrior is inferior to paladin . Coil and titan show that sch is inferior to whm atm.

Aoe wise
Whm gets a 200 potency heal that applies a 100 potency regen(total regen potency 500) overall 700potency which is both preemptive and great healing
Along with a 300 potency aoe heal as a burst heal

Sch get a 150 potency heal with a 150 potency shield which is a preemptive heal. Sch don't get another reliable aoe heal even we should have a burst aoe heal since it is an essential tool.

Schs option to deal with aoe damage is preemptive succor >cast succor and instant succor 150+150 +150+150=for 3 spell casts 600 potency healed +150hp temp shield left on target. Which means sch needs to cast moar suckers to do the same amount of hp healing as whm.
Whm option to deal with aoe is preemptive medica 2 >cast medica and instant medica 200+500 +300+300=For 3 spell cast 1300 potency healed (then straight back to tank healing!)

Whm can regen and chain cast cure 2 on a tank for great tank healing. Oh shit heals are benediction and instant cure3.
Sch cannot chain aql since there is often overlap in shielding thus wasting potency so they must physick>aql>physick>aql etc. Lustrate and instant physick is our ohshit heal.
The faerie isn't as reliable when it comes to tank healing (read my previous post to see why)due to conflicting gcd timers(3 second vs 2.4), not being controlled while casting and occasionally healing someone else so being unable to direct the heal to tank. so often the sch healing rotation works like this.
sch rotation aql=600,physick=400,embrace=250
Aql>physick>embrace>Aql>physick>Aql>physick>embrace=3500(+250 if you manage to get off another embrace) potency over 10 seconds. So basically sch needs too add lustrate to its rotation to keep up. Lustrate is the only thing keeping sch from being unviable(to some extent).
whm rotation regen=150(total 450 for 3 ticks) cure 2=650 potency
Regen>cure2>cure2>cure2>cure2>cure2>cure2=4350 potency over 10 seconds . Whm is just so reliable healing compared to sch. In titan/coil you want reliable and burst healing which whm offers.

Whm can also just instant 20 yard medica 2 for 700 raid healing and go back to tank healing compared sch who can instant 15 yard succor for 150 raid healing+150 shield.

There is also the fact whm can use its divine seal,regen and POM smartly to buff their healing output whenever they need it Whereas Sch's faerie just wastes its cool-downs.

I prefer Sch for easy farm-mode dungeons and ifrit/garuda . But when it comes to actual serious business content whm reliability and output makes them the clear choice. Similar to warrior and how warrior is so damn self sufficient in easy mode dungeons but they are a joke compared to paladins in coil.

Hopefully we see changes soon for pet ai and to bring up sch's aoe healing/stacking up a tad. At least there should be some changes in 2.1.

[Comalol]

actualy every titan run I've done until now where I was paired with a SCH was much less stressfull on me than every single run made with a second WHM...

probably it is because u don't need a 1300 potency of healing (the only fight where I spam medica/medica II is demon wall when dps chose to ignore add... 1st stomp got nullified by SS+precasted Succor.... second and following Stomp are preshieldied and healed by a single medica I... Jump (the big aoe that crack the ring) pre-shielded by succor and reduced by the GT (I never rember that 10% dmg reductino GT) than healed by a medica II + succor (that will also work as preshielding for the next stomp)... and so on...

100% of the big aoe dmg that 2 whm will solve with double medica II can be solved with preshielding + medica II + succor (whose shiled will most likely work as a preshielding for the next aoe... unless u have dumb dps but that will still save the time and mana to heal them and u will use that mana and time to recast succor before the next aoe...)

it simply is a metter of timing the first succor before the aoe... once u do that right the aoe dmg for a whm+sch setupe is not a big problem... also note that adloquim is really better than cure II... with than in mind when couple with a whm sch focus on tank and whm focus on party helping each other when needed or when the section u'r taking care of is not in need of healing...

this is the point of view of a WHM that usually run 8 man content paired with a sch (guild mate that I usally run with) and can really feel the difference when paired with a second whm rather than a SCH...

PS: note that I still have to run coil... but as far as I've heard the problem there is the massive dmg on tank rather than the party... but still without personal experience I will refrain from comment on that untill I've done it myself with both healing setup

[Nymphidel]

@sharazisspecial Have you tried putting your pet on Obey? Then you cast all her non spammable abilities when you want them rather than when she wants to. She will just use her spammable heal when on Obey. You need to recast Obey when zoning and logging in/out though.

[HerpnDerpidus]

swift cast insta summon fairy your arguments on fairy dying are now not so bad.....
i just wish she had more controll options, like if i hit obey she should spam embrace on my target anytime it is not at exactly 100% hp, not wait till hes half dead and heal automatically, i think it would be cool if she just stayed doing random heals on whoever , but if i set her to target someone she would spam like crazy on them, and also i wish she could follow me as well as my minion can lol, wtf at how my minion is always right with me, but shes 20ft back.... also i want to be able to make her cast embrace manually with switching her to cast every fkn heal she has mode, cause unlike some people i save her other moves

[sharazisspecial]

adloquim is really better than cure II

cure 2 650 potency hp healed
adlo 300 potency heal 300 potency shield
Adlo is worse then cure 2 because of numbers and the fact adlo can't be spammed like cure 2 can due to the fact 2 adlo back to back is wasted healing since shield doesnt stack.

medica 2 is also preemptive healing like succor. whm get both a preemptive aoe heal and a burst heal.

swift cast insta summon fairy

So i have blow instant cast cd on poorly designed fairy but whm gets to swiftcast medica/medica 2/raise even furthering the gap

@sharazisspecial Have you tried putting your pet on Obey

Eos still wastes her aoe heal when i have obey on

Anyway folks i have done the math and seen the difference in healing. I have tested sch in coil and now i will play whm in coil instead. When se fix sch issue i will use in challenging place but not atm

With only a 150 potency aoe heal i need to chain cast it spending more time not healing the tank. Compared to whm who can toss a 700 total potency aoe heal and go back to tank healing.

[Draemos]

Adlo is worse then cure 2 because of numbers and the fact adlo can't be spammed like cure 2 can due to the fact 2 adlo back to back is wasted healing

medica 2 is also preemptive healing like succor

Why would you spam a heal with a shield while the shield is still up? If your saying that WHM raw HP throughput is higher when you get yourself in trouble and need to dig yourself out of an HP deficit... well yeah. The difference is that you can cast that Adlo sooner in the HP deficit and not have to worry about overhealing. Ultimately it's a spell better suited to keeping you from getting into an HP deficit in the first place.

Lets stop comparing Medica II to Succor. Succor is almost a carbon copy of Medica I. If your going to compare Medica II to anything, compare it to Whispering Dawn.

[sharazisspecial]

Whispering Dawn.

I have a whispering dawn spell? All i see is a greyed out on cooldown spell.

Lets stop comparing Medica II to Succor. Succor is almost a carbon copy of Medica I

Why? you can preemptively cast medica 2 same way as you can preemptively cast succor. To easy up the healing required from the aoe.

Sch lacks a burst aoe healing tool. They dont have a medica equivalent so they waste half the succor spell effect to bring the raid's hp back up. Same would happen if SE removed medica from whm, whm would have to waste half of medica2's effect if it wasn't enough healing.

[Draemos]

Just like how titan and coil shows that warrior is inferior to paladin . Coil and titan show that sch is inferior to whm atm.

Aoe wise
Whm gets a 200 potency heal that applies a 100 potency regen(total regen potency 500) overall 700potency which is both preemptive and great healing
Along with a 300 potency aoe heal as a burst heal

Sch get a 150 potency heal with a 150 potency shield which is a preemptive heal. Sch don't get another reliable aoe heal even we should have a burst aoe heal since it is an essential tool.

You are ignoring whispering dawn. It has the same AoE potency as Medica II (700), costs no mana, and generates no threat for the caster at the price of having only a 35% uptime.

I'm not saying it's as good as Medica II (it isn't and it shouldn't be). But completely ignoring that ability to prop up your argument is disingenuous.

[sharazisspecial]

You are ignoring whispering dawn. It has the same AoE potency as Medica II (700), costs no mana, and generates no threat for the caster at the price of having only a 35% uptime.

I'm not saying it's as good as Medica II (it isn't and it shouldn't be). But completely ignoring that ability to prop up your argument is disingenuous.

You are ignoring we have no control over when fairy uses it. It has a hefty cooldown too. Unreliable and thus lower numbers that why whm is better atm till SE fix sch.

[Draemos]

I have a whispering dawn spell? All i see is a greyed out on cooldown spell.



Why? you can preemptively cast medica 2 same way as you can preemptively cast succor. To easy up the healing required from the aoe.

Sch lacks a burst aoe healing tool. They dont have a medica equivalent so they waste half the succor spell effect to bring the raid's hp back up.

There is several tips about how to control your pet in this thread to prevent it from casting unwanted spells while still using embrace. SCH pet control is an issue and unintuitive, but that's THE ISSUE. Not giving you more healing throughput.

Continually comparing Medica II to Succor is just going to get you put on my troll list. It's a nonsense comparison when Succor is obviously a 1:1 copy of Medica I