Heals for Scholors need a buff

[FinagleABagel]

I think a lot of you are really over complicating the scholar job. I've always come from the standpoint that you want to be as mana neutral as possible. This means that I don't want my mana bar moving a ton minute by minute. Scholar is unbelievably good at resource management compared to a WHM. Furthermore, I've built my scholar as full mind and my heals are close to equal and even sometimes greater than a WHM (~370 mind). I've experienced most of the end game content and honestly if you are blowing adlo all of the time then you are over healing or you have a bad tank. That spell is designed to buy you time to heal a non-tank or to stop a back-to-back burst. It's better to simply use Lustrate to spike a tank over the course of 60 seconds and then regain stacks. I usually do 1-2 Lustrates per minute, the other two stacks go into Sacred Soil. Earlier in the battle I'll use the drain to keep my mana at 100%.

[Valiant]

I'm still not sure why you're comparing 2 WHM's to the shield of one SCH. A SCH using Adlo + faerie will heal more on a single target (and prevent a good chunk of damage) than a WHM spamming Cure with both Regen's up, and the WHM will run out of mp long before the SCH does. This is from post-50 gameplay and just simple reading of the potency of the heals/effects. If you cast both Regens on a tank and the boss gets stunned/misses, those Regen ticks are wasted. As long as the tank gets hit again in 30 seconds, Adlo gets its full potency.

You're right that, as it stand, 2 SCH's can be redundant in pugs. But 2 coordinated SCHs who do things like time Fey Illumination so it never overlaps and make sure they have separate Adlo priorities so shields never go to waste will do much better than 2 coordinated WHM's.

the potency is per tick not overall effect THAT makes the difference

[Sonata_rose]

Yeah as a SCH I felt I needed Much Stronger heals yesterday when 3 guys from Shiva let me tank the adds in AK at last boss, and then complained that the DPS were dieing while I was healing the tank, and then tank dieing whyle I as healing the dps, Huehuehue.

well clearly not your fault, nuff said.

[Sonata_rose]

the potency is per tick not overall effect THAT makes the difference

It is per tick, yea you are defiantly right. But Dont forget that Aldo also heals. lets say we heal for 700, then you also get an absorb for 700 and its equal to 1400 damage mitigated, and if you crit it is even more, and the pet heal for around 400.
if the tank got full hp already the shield is giving him 700 more hp, and that is insane.
The mana management is so ridiculous with scholars as well, almost an infinite pool of mana if you manage it right.
And as Rainford says, if the tank does not take damage the the healing on regen are wasted, while an absorption shield is the opposite.

But meh, enough of bashing and whining which class is better, both class got their weak and strong points, and i would say that you should they are really good together and covering for each other weaknesses.

[Waliel]

I feel like SE did this on purpose. Imagine if SCH's heals stacked. 2 SCH with macros to force-cast Embrace on the tank would let them keep everyone else in the party running 4 shields, 2 Succor and 2 Adlo. That's essentially a 900 potency shield with little fear of running out of MP. It would trivialize every encounter.

Using Succor and Adlo like that will drain your mana so fast it's not even funny. Your mana would only last for a few minutes and then you'd be hovering around 5-10%, waiting for your cooldowns to come up, so you can cast anything other than Physick.

[sharazisspecial]

whm is currently superior for coil atm due whms higher hps and burst hps. Whm also have more control over their healing/buffs compared to sch who relies on a flawed fairy and critical strikes.

Whm hps is garunteed and thus overall better then sch . Medica 2 is also 20 yard range and crazy aoe hp healing per cast.

SE need to give us much more control over the fairy because it will occasionally let us down in critical situations.

E.g in coil i need to constantly heal and i rely on my fairy to spam heals back to back. I cannot afford any delays . But..
Since the fairy can't be controlled while casting , it may cast something i dont want to it too (reducing my hps)
Since the ai will auto heal lower hp people/me over the tank( so the faerie will occasionally not be available to heal so my hps is reduced compared to guaranteed whm hps)
The embrace spell recast is 3 seconds whereas mine is 2.4(thus there being times where my gcd will come up when fairy is on recast) I cannot simply give the faerie a preemptive command since there is lack of pet command queueing. Or a pet action/macro to spam embrace on a target .Thus If i delay my physick to get off the embrace , i am reducing my hps further.
When it comes to hps aql spam is flawed. Because the way tanks take damage in this game is every xx sec they eat a large hit, thus cure 2 spam is way better suited for how tanks take damage. Casting two aql back to back may often cause 300 potency to be wasted since the shields effect will either overwrite or say no effect. 300 potency for double physick mana cost is a waste. (not like i can cancel heal at the last second either after like 80% cast the heal will always go through)

What should SE do to fix?
1. First off if they are going to balance sch around perfect faerie heals then we need complete control over the fairy. Perhaps let us control it during casting since its gcd does not benefit from spellspeed and conflicts with our gcd. OR they can give us more pet commands e.g pet command spam embrace on this target. and ofc the command to stop it from casting on its own completely.
2. Fix "wasted shields" Either Shield stacking ,less wasted shield or increased healing on shielded target.For shield stacking they can make shields stack upto a certain number cap. The cap could be critical aql shield amount. So the cap be reached by casting 2 aql back to back or 1 aql critical.
3. Succor sucks in comparison to medica and medica2. Whms get two heals for aoe (preemptive healing and burst). While sch get 1 (just preemptive).

Sch will never touch whm when it comes to aoe healing but its actully not even better then whms at tank healing so what is sch niche exactly? Mana efficency? but the fact is we need to cast 2-3 spells for every whm spell to match their hps anyways. If we soil or lustrate spam then our mana return isnt that much better then whm.

[Eccho]

Scholar is perfectly balanced until you reach titan. If you haven't reached titan yet then you don't understand the drastic differences between White Mage and Scholar. Firstly you can not run with 2 scholars. unlike White mages our skills don't stack. We can't stack our bubbles they don't even refresh duration unless the next heal is larger than the first. A white mage can stack medica II with another white mage that alone is enough of a reason not to take a scholar into Titan. Why take a scholar when you can have another WHM.

The scholar is not currently balanced for the high big damage fights. You think scholar is balanced because a WHM doesn't out heal you in Ifrit... I don't even bother healing in Ifrit no one takes enough damage to warrant two healers come back and speak to me once you've been told to GTFO from Titan because of your class.

We don't need a buff just some small alterations that make us a viable option.

[peaches]

I suppose this is my old thoughts from playing WoW, but I always felt like the Scholar should have Regen. I've sort of pictured the Scholar as a Disc priest, with bubbles and regen, and the White Mage as the Holy priest with massive heals and crits.

I'm not that high yet - 36 I think? - but I feel like I would really benefit from a better AoE cure. Normally when I'm curing I'll spam Embrace, and hardly ever need to heal. If the tank gets to just above 50% hp or so then I'll start using Adloquium followed by Physick. But in situations where everybodys HP is dropping super fast from unavoidable AoE, there isn't much I can do. Everybody is constantly losing HP, but I can't just cast Adloquium on the tank to heal the dps, since he's taking that AoE plus the damage of the boss/adds. So I have to focus on my healing, and hope my fairy heals the dps, until a point where the tank is fairly stabilized and I can spare 2.3s to cast and another 2.5s gcd.

It feels almost 100% useless to use Succor in these situations. It heals for me around 150 HP, and with the constant damage the bubble is eaten instantly. I'd have to spam succor around 8 times to fully heal everybody from them being around 40-60% health. I know that's not its use, and I would be instantly OOM if I did that of course, but the crazy low potency bubble on it makes it feel pointless to cast for a bubble, and same for the heals. I feel like Succor really has no place on my action bar. I don't know if it changes later, but that's how it feels to me right now.

Maybe it would be better if it was made into an AoE 250 potency Bubble. I feel like it needs to specialize. Maybe if it was a pure bubble, it would be good to cast BEFORE an AoE to prevent the damage, as opposed to trying to work with a measly cure and bubble effect that don't really do much of anything together.

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One thing that NEEDS to be changed, is our fairy/summoners pets dying from instant death abilities. After running Sunken Temple a few times, it is IMPOSSIBLE to keep pets alive in the first fight. Yes, they follow you fairly closely, but not closely enough to be standing on the correct spots to be safe from Doom. Once I lose my fairy I lose most of my heals, and my mana starts dropping a ton faster. For that fight I can't just use Swiftcast to re-summon her either. Not only will she just die the next Doom cast, but I need to save Swiftcast for when somebody dies.

[Rydiah]

One thing that NEEDS to be changed, is our fairy/summoners pets dying from instant death abilities. After running Sunken Temple a few times, it is IMPOSSIBLE to keep pets alive in the first fight.

Ugh, this is so true. My fairy died every time I ran that dungeon and I've only gotten one tank to stun the boss when he casts Doom. Its much easier if you do it that way...Back to the point, she dies very easily.

[Waliel]

You can manually tell your pet to run to the tile to clear Doom. Now Aurum Vale is something where the pet dies and you can't do anything about it.