Heals for Scholors need a buff

[Marcusow86]

Our fairy's true range is A LOT shorter than intended. If you stand at max range for our physic to work. you will notice your fairy will not cast her embrace even when the target's HP drop below 75%. However, if you manually click embrace, she will cast it. In-order to counter this issue, SCH can opt to either place fairy near the tank or place himself near the tank (with fairy following him).

[Marcusow86]

1. Fairy near the tank.
- Fairy can now embrace the tank with no problem, HOWEVER, there are several boss fight where boss uses 'push' skill (eg: Ifrit HM) your fairy will get dis-positioned. You will need to manually place your fairy near the tank again after ever occurrence. Not to mention, fairy have a delay in following order.

- Fairy are now far from the rest of the group, if you ever wanted to use her Whispering Dawn on the group, you will need to ask her to follow you and by her movement speed will take forever. After whispering dawn, you figured you would like her to heal the tank again. No worries, she can fly to the tank in about 8 sec. (including 2 sec delay)

[Marcusow86]

2. Fairy near you
- If you would like your fairy to help heal the tank, you would need to stand anywhere between the DPS and tank (closer to tank due to her auto casting range cripple that i mentioned above). Some movement intensive fight does not allow it. you need to dodge away from the AOE and if you are too close to the tank you will get hit and HARD due to hits were originally meant for tank to cushion.
- You do not want to risk your life standing too close to the tank. Well, your fairy will be just like an accessories, flying beside you and doing nothing most of the time until of course someone in the raid close to you drops below 75%.


To be mana efficient, i need to spam physic. On top of that i need to micro-manage my pet, put down a Sacred Soil, lustrate the tank, eye-to-eye, virus boss and while doing that i need to dodge the damn AOE red field from boss and all my heals require casting time.

Conclusion, if you want a challenge, play SCH.

[sharazisspecial]

2. Fairy near you
- If you would like your fairy to help heal the tank, you would need to stand anywhere between the DPS and tank (closer to tank due to her auto casting range cripple that i mentioned above). Some movement intensive fight does not allow it. you need to dodge away from the AOE and if you are too close to the tank you will get hit and HARD due to hits were originally meant for tank to cushion.
- You do not want to risk your life standing too close to the tank. Well, your fairy will be just like an accessories, flying beside you and doing nothing most of the time until of course someone in the raid close to you drops below 75%.


To be mana efficient, i need to spam physic. On top of that i need to micro-manage my pet, put down a Sacred Soil, lustrate the tank, eye-to-eye, virus boss and while doing that i need to dodge the damn AOE red field from boss and all my heals require casting time.

Conclusion, if you want a challenge, play SCH.

You are right Adlo is sooo mana inefficient...

Physick/cure potency 400 hp healed mp cost is 133
Adlo potency 300 hp healed, 300 shield total:600 cost is 319mp
Cure 2 potency 650 hp healed mp cost is 266mp

Whm is simpler but still very effective , sch has to do alot more but its not like they are rewarded for it.

Our fairy's true range is A LOT shorter than intended

what makes whm's aoe healing medica 2 so good is that it's 20 yard range as well, makes it much easier to hit the raid.

Range is big issue with the faerie. Not only does it seem to have much shorter range then intended .
We can't get optimal performance from it in situations without investing a ton of time into it which is time not spent healing. Since we can't control it while casting.
I have experienced that too, it needs to be much closer to tank to heal them when not commanded. But placing them near tank is an unoptimal position for raid healing.

[Dyfelex]

I really don't know why people think that scholars need a heal buff. I main heal perfectly fine. Yes the pet ai is annoying until you get used to it. But even in av when eos died i kept up fine and just recast her using swiftcast when I had a spare moment. Just using mouse over physick macros and ad keeps up with 80% of fights. For therest theres succor. I don't use succor so much for the heal as I do the shield which gives me plenty of time to bring the group back up.

[sharazisspecial]

I really don't know why people think that scholars need a heal buff. I main heal perfectly fine. Yes the pet ai is annoying until you get used to it. But even in av when eos died i kept up fine and just recast her using swiftcast when I had a spare moment. Just using mouse over physick macros and ad keeps up with 80% of fights. For therest theres succor. I don't use succor so much for the heal as I do the shield which gives me plenty of time to bring the group back up.

Try out sch/whm in coil Where even 1 mistake gets you wiped. During those times is when our faerie lets us down. Sch healing is balanced around the faerie, when our faerie fails so do we. So why risk it with sch? why not take the reliable and superior aoe healer whm.
Double whm medica 2 is rediculous healing 700+700 potency healing. That allows you two whms who can focus on tank healing instead of topping up raid. Whms base tank healing potency is much higher then sch. During the times sch has lustrate availible sch gets ahead though. So there isn't much difference is tank healing that you *must* take a sch. Whereas there is a clear difference in aoe healing(partly due to the faerie wasting its aoe regen as well)

What i want SE to do is to give us much more pet control. Sch should be able to always be able to perform at optimal efficiency like whm currently does. But how can we? when our pet is not fully controllable(thus dies, forced into bad positioning and also waste important cooldowns). If we had full control over the faerie ,general faerie fixes and perhaps some skill tweaks then sch would be in a fine place.

Warrior is absolutely fine too before coil and to some extent titan. Doesn't mean they aren't inferior to pld.

[ApolloGenX]

You are right Adlo is sooo mana inefficient...

Physick/cure potency 400 hp healed mp cost is 133
Adlo potency 300 hp healed, 300 shield total:600 cost is 319mp
Cure 2 potency 650 hp healed mp cost is 266mp
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Cure 2 potency is 650 I think, while adlo is 600 - 300 heal/300 shield. (Shield doesn't overheal and SCH have more mana)

You are comparing apples to oranges.

High end guilds do use scholars without a problem. Aside from improvements to pet UI and control (which does need to happen), the class is fine. They also don't have the mana issues the whm has. They are different for a reason.

You can't have shields that shield just as much as whm heals for the same mana- those abilities would be superior in every way all the time, plus with superior mana regen SCH would just dominate.

Whm doesn't get sacred soil, either. That can mitigate a ton of damage. You can't pick and choose where you want to compare and ignore the rest of the toolbox.

[sharazisspecial]

don't have the mana issues the whm has

Whm doesn't really have mana problems from my experience playing with it. They have less mana return because they heal more per spell. Sch has higher mana return because they need to cast more spells then whm for the same effect. Brds also eliminate any mana concerns what so ever(having a brd is optimal too)
Its better to have higher hps with less mana then have lower healing with higher mana due to the design of this game. Due to how stuff works in this game.

Whm doesn't get sacred soil, either. That can mitigate a ton of damage

Whm gets magic resist on protect which also migitates alot of aoe damage. The mres on protect is also permenant compared to soil.

Shield doesn't overheal

Heard of "no effect"? using your heal on a shielded target will negate half the heal potency or overwrite the shield. Which is why it is better to rotate physick and adlo then it is to spam adlo. Two whms step on each others toes way less then 2 schs.

Overhealing is really harmless compared to overshielding because at least the tank is safe at max hp if overhealed. But tank can be as low as 20% life and still get overshielded.

Aside from improvements to pet UI and control (which does need to happen), the class is fine.

So scholar has broken pet ai and pet control issues but they are still "fine" how does that work out? If whm couldnt properly use divine seal,prescene of mind, regen and medica , would they still be "fine" too?

So no sch is underpowered atm until se fix their class design flaws.

Just because a class is underpowered doesn't mean it's unusable though. It just means that they need buffs to bring them up to line with the other classes. Pet AI fixes and increased controlled over it would be buffs. Sch would get a big healing boost if we had full pet control and no pet ai issues.

[Sinbad]

I have to agree that the healing overall needs a little improvement, also why give us a buggy pet? that is hard to control if ever.... plus sometimes I give it an order and just wont follow or dies in place. I also noticed that "Aetherflow" is bugged and in many cases I ended up going oom because of a bug, when I hit Aetherflow it goes on cooldown but nothing happens... no buffs whatsoever instead I get a long ass cooldown without a single effect... I ended up going out of mana in many raids when I explained the issue to people and yet they don't believe it.

Come on, fix us please.

[Valiant]

Why are you casting Succor on the tank?

I feel like SE did this on purpose. Imagine if SCH's heals stacked. 2 SCH with macros to force-cast Embrace on the tank would let them keep everyone else in the party running 4 shields, 2 Succor and 2 Adlo. That's essentially a 900 potency shield with little fear of running out of MP. It would trivialize every encounter.

SCH suffers from two things: redundancy with 2 in a group and Faerie heals not scaling with SCH gear. Aside from that, a properly played SCH (keeping your fairy placed in the middle of the fight, force-casting Embrace, keeping Shadow Flare up, etc) will beat a WHM in everything but an AOE heal race.

Look at the shield when casted.. both succor and aldo are called ALDO... and yes i HAVE paid attention to it it DOES get replaced... hita target with aldo than succor you will see -aldo then +aldo as proof the stronger shield got replaced.