Player Run Companies: a Rallying Cry

[Eldaena]

yeah i so much like the idea of running up to a mob and letting auto attack kill it for me while i eat dinner much more important than something we can enjoy as a group.

I would like to hope that the large changes they are making to the battle system are not just auto attack. And I agree with you, group activities are important, almost more important than the battle system itself. However, without proper groundwork for us to work together and support each other, the gameplay is limited and uninteresting. It's not the people at that point, but the system, you know? That probably needs to be altered first, then they can add the content ontop of it for us to work together. =)

(Btw, I'm not thrilled about auto attack either. =P But that is not really the topic at hand, yeah?)

[Kilta_Firelotus]

Honestly i played tons of different mmo. And all guilds,clans, legions, what ever you call them are all the same in the end privet chat rooms.

ffxi's community is alot like ffxiv is. People do not do random parties anymore they stick to their LS's.

the only mmo i've seen with guild housing was mabinogi. The players are the ones who decide how the guild LS etc is set up and for what purpose, we do not need a ton of stuff to set up events. Barely anyone in WoW used the guild calander system. Or reeally used the member rank system fully.


ps I ment scraped not crap XD my s didn't go thru.

[darkstarpoet1]

I would like to hope that the large changes they are making to the battle system are not just auto attack. And I agree with you, group activities are important, almost more important than the battle system itself. However, without proper groundwork for us to work together and support each other, the gameplay is limited and uninteresting. It's not the people at that point, but the system, you know? That probably needs to be altered first, then they can add the content ontop of it for us to work together. =)

(Btw, I'm not thrilled about auto attack either. =P But that is not really the topic at hand, yeah?)

oh i agree i was just referring to things like player ran companies would be unaffected by the battle changes so would be no reason to hold those type changes off. now if the player ran companies teamed up against some gigantic mob and needed the updates that could be a discussion, but there was not really much info released before the knee jerk dev team change.

i just always see how everything the higher level people had promised to them has to hold off because of battle changes, but it is ok to release 20 mid level nm's and all kinds of side quests. if one shouldn't be implemented shouldn't it all have been held off on if the battle changes were going to be this drastic?

[Eldaena]

Honestly i played tons of different mmo. And all guilds,clans, legions, what ever you call them are all the same in the end privet chat rooms.

ffxi's community is alot like ffxiv is. People do not do random parties anymore they stick to their LS's.

the only mmo i've seen with guild housing was mabinogi. The players are the ones who decide how the guild LS etc is set up and for what purpose, we do not need a ton of stuff to set up events. Barely anyone in WoW used the guild calander system. Or reeally used the member rank system fully.


ps I ment scraped not crap XD my s didn't go thru.

Kita if the content we get in this game was based off of only what we "need" and nothing that we "want" would it be trying to be a successful game? =p

Why is it bad that people want something more to do with their LS companions? It would be easier content to implement than several other options. And would easily make people enjoy the game further.

Not every game is the same either. ^-^; You can't say they're just all the same and they mean nothing. Only the players can decide what matters to them. I'm sure all those other MMOs you've played have people that really enjoy their guilds, linkshells, and what have you, as well as the activities based around them.

It's true that LSs have the ability to determine purposes/goals and people that are in it can follow those. But it would be nice to feel more established than just this loosely based verbal thingy we have going.

[Eldaena]

oh i agree i was just referring to things like player ran companies would be unaffected by the battle changes so would be no reason to hold those type changes off. now if the player ran companies teamed up against some gigantic mob and needed the updates that could be a discussion, but there was not really much info released before the knee jerk dev team change.

i just always see how everything the higher level people had promised to them has to hold off because of battle changes, but it is ok to release 20 mid level nm's and all kinds of side quests. if one shouldn't be implemented shouldn't it all have been held off on if the battle changes were going to be this drastic?

Well those 20 NMs and sidequests really aren't much, don't you think? The quests aren't all that engaging, though some do give some interesting lore. And the NMs are just the mobs themselves but with more hp? Sometimes they're not even larger than their non NM counterparts. Look at Gluttonous Gertrude. So disappointed! I thought she would have been a huge dodo or something but some of the mobs around her, which happen to be dodos, were...dare I say... bigger looking? Anyway, I feel like all those things are just short-term content for people to eat that doesn't take much to prepare, yeah?


Hopefully it's just stalling while they get the better stuff ready. =p

[Seirra_Lanzce]

is it ok for me to say this?

I dont play FF11, but i sure dont want to have multiple LS to join up to fight battles... is nice to hear, but tedious to do so.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

I was stating it that no matter how much they add to the LS system chances are barely anyone would use them. Like WoW for example, It has guild tabards, calander system, member ranking system guild banks. In truth from the various guild I've been in and the few I ran. Not everyone looks or uses the calander or even sticks to it. I ran into people who just join guild for their tabard. I never stated it was a bad idea, but that these things may end up going to waste.
And also if you want more features, how about suggesting some.

[Eldaena]

I was stating it that no matter how much they add to the LS system chances are barely anyone would use them. Like WoW for example, It has guild tabards, calander system, member ranking system guild banks. In truth from the various guild I've been in and the few I ran. Not everyone looks or uses the calander or even sticks to it. I ran into people who just join guild for their tabard. I never stated it was a bad idea, but that these things may end up going to waste.
And also if you want more features, how about suggesting some.

But if people on the forums are asking about it, doesn't that kind of mean they'd want to use those features ? How about LS bases/halls/owned areas, LS based events, LS fame system, LS market wards, LS chocobo farms!...etc. There are lots of things that could be done with it, even if some of my stated ideas are a bit outlandish. I don't see the point of just being negative about content for negativity's sake. =p Yes, other more important features should and would be added before these things, but that doesn't mean a lot of us wouldn't want them, still.

[ZephyrAM]

We're wavering a touch off track here .

The point isn't how valuable we individually thing player run companies would be, nor how they compare to a new battle system, nor how similar or different they are to guilds in other games.

The point and question is just this: 'Will player run companies ever exist?'

It was heavily hinted (IE: with a sledgehammer) that they would, now the Grand Companies imply almost as heavily that they won't. We just want to know if they're still even a consideration at any point in FFXIV's future, or if Linkshell's are all we'll ever get.


Of course, aside from that, let's go ahead and debate them . Just try not to derail it so far the dev's miss any value.


Personally, from the games I've played, Linkshell's are the most like chatrooms of any guild in any MMO, quite possibly excluding the slew of F2P games. They lack quite a bit that has to be supplemented by the players themselves in very roundabout ways. These, rather needed, improvements don't have to come now, especially as there's quite a lot on SE's plate here, but they 'should' happen in some form. The proposed mail system they've mentioned should help a bit, so long as items can be mailed, but that's still just a stop gap.

But in the end, if we don't get them, we don't. It'll be just like XI, handling practically all LS affairs outside of the game entirely. Can be done though, clearly .


Just tell us: will we, or won't we?

[Eldaena]

We're wavering a touch off track here .

The point isn't how valuable we individually thing player run companies would be, nor how they compare to a new battle system, nor how similar or different they are to guilds in other games.

The point and question is just this: 'Will player run companies ever exist?'

It was heavily hinted (IE: with a sledgehammer) that they would, now the Grand Companies imply almost as heavily that they won't. We just want to know if they're still even a consideration at any point in FFXIV's future, or if Linkshell's are all we'll ever get.


Of course, aside from that, let's go ahead and debate them . Just try not to derail it so far the dev's miss any value.


Personally, from the games I've played, Linkshell's are the most like chatrooms of any guild in any MMO, quite possibly excluding the slew of F2P games. They lack quite a bit that has to be supplemented by the players themselves in very roundabout ways. These, rather needed, improvements don't have to come now, especially as there's quite a lot on SE's plate here, but they 'should' happen in some form. The proposed mail system they've mentioned should help a bit, so long as items can be mailed, but that's still just a stop gap.

But in the end, if we don't get them, we don't. It'll be just like XI, handling practically all LS affairs outside of the game entirely. Can be done though, clearly .


Just tell us: will we, or won't we?

At least if it's still in the works or not. =p