F.A.T.E: The Truth you don't want to hear.

[Sibarian_Aries]

Let us all be honest with ourselves. FATE's are the quickest way to level, though is that a bad thing? Honestly, by checking throughout this whole forum I can tell that a few people are resolutely going to yell very loudly at their monitors "Yes", so let us tackle the subject and the symptoms of the problems and try to match them with the supposed culprit that many are accusing.

On quite a few of the topics that I have browsed, people have put up the claim that it ruins the dungeon experience. Claiming that people do not know how to act in dungeons, or how to properly utilize their class or their position in a dungeon to progressively assist the people they are placed with. I have been a witness to this at all levels of gameplay. From Sastasha to Ifrit (Hard-Mode), there are players through every level of the game within the community that do not know or do not care to know how to play their class properly without hindering the team they are in.

[Sibarian_Aries]

Did FATE's do this? No. Every MMO has this type of player, people who do not care to learn, people who do not care about getting carried by people who know what they are doing and refuse to learn what they are doing wrong. So, no FATE's did not cause that horrible Conjurer to think he could DPS instead of heal while letting the tank die. No, FATE's did not just make that dragoon use a stunning move on hard mode ifrit and ruin the rotation to block eruptions from wiping your group.

Though another argument is that FATE's are "Poisoning" the community and letting casuals get to a higher level quickly without getting geared properly or learning before taking on AK and not being able to DPS the second boss in AK down before the party wipes, or going strait to Hard-Mode Garuda with a weak level 43 weapon white and holding their team back. Is this the cause of FATE's? Yes, and no.

[Sibarian_Aries]

As far as being under geared, there is no gear check outside of failure in action due to lack of skill or just using a stunningly weak weapon in combination of lack of skill/knowledge of fights when jumping around content in the "Post-Story" mode. There is a general 'guide' of where to go, however there are no requirements out side of level [and maybe completing a requisite dungeon/duty before hand] to enter harder duty's/dungeon's like:"you must have a gear level total of "X"." I think SE should implement a 'light' requirement along these lines and that would solve a bit of the problem with people unwittingly [or otherwise] holding their groups back.

As far as the "Poisoning" of the community... I have witnessed this elephant in the room. It's name is Rude, and its brother is Callous and both are fueled by hate and pride. Players of all stripes play this game, may they be mean, or nice. Do FATE's exclusively allow them to get to the 'elusive' level of 50?
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[Sibarian_Aries]

No. Anyone can get there, it just takes varying degrees of time and effort dependent upon your own planning. The best thing to do when you meet these poisonous people is to ignore them or utilize the tools at hand, tell your friends, and add them to your black list. Though obviously if they are harassing you or others, report them, the community will thank you.

Now down to the "Casuals use FATE's" or any other 'mix' of terms concerning the word 'casual' in order to make it seem lesser than "acceptable" to some people that play the game. Using Fate's to level do not make you or others "Casual," nor is that a suitable term. FATE's are the best way for people to level, especially if they are DPS. I am DPS, and on my own or without a full party it takes 80 to 120 minutes to get into a DUTY [I have had these times even with a tank to partner up with me!]. So what do I do?

[Sibarian_Aries]

I change to a off class, and go have fun in FATE's with a group of friends that I am planning on doing the DUTY with or just solo the fates with the rest of the people around until the DUTY is ready for me. Would I love to do DUTY's more often? Yes! Can I do them more often? No, and the sad part is that it isn't because I'm lazy, it is because as dps I am a dime a dozen and I have hundreds of other DPS to compete with for a random spot with a random group.

So in short in my opinion, FATE's are saving this game. Why? Because people would have little to nothing to do while waiting for the DUTY finder, because not everyone has 24/7 access to 3 other members that would be able to do DUTY's together all the time or at all in general.

[Sibarian_Aries]

There are growing pains that come with making such a great game, everyone is going to want to try it and not everyone is nice, and not everyone is dexterous or proficient in gaming. However I think SE has a good mix, you may get the levels, but you need the gear. FATE's are meant to do to level you up in my eyes and Dungeons/duty's are meant to temper you and get you better gear.

So, in my opinion the truth is clear: FATE's are perfect the way they are [aside from obvious exploits "AKA. Dark Devices"] and we as gamers should not resort to calling people names or categorizing them just because they chose a different path to get from point A to point C. We should Guide Them if we can. If they are on your server and they have weak gear, talk with them, and see if you cannot assist them in becoming a better player. If we as a community stick together, we wont be fated to fall apart over petty differences in choice of how everyone spends their time in Eorzia.

I would have posted this in ONE post, but there is a 1k character limit, and this is a 5-6k character text that I have been writing up. Sorry, wish I could have merged it or something, but it needed to be said.

[Sunoske]

^ So much more of this, Fate's are not the problem! Idiots are the problem, once your done with quests, fates are the only way to go D; other than leves maybe but they give bad exp... +1 to you good sir, I don't quite understand why people complain about them, as long as your not a 5 year old you should know how to use your class.

[Yiell]

If you ever find yourself in a party with an unskilled player in a dungeon, Just tell them what to do. If they don't listen, Just leave the duty. Don't waste your time with those people. I agree that FATE grinding is awesome when you want to level. But I disagree about it causing players to be unskilled with their Class, Just because they grind to 50 doesn't mean that they don't know how to play their roles.

[Ares_Nocturnal]

Lets just face the fact here, you guys are crying over a new game that has not even been out for a month yet. There's still so much they are gonna add its just a starting point things will be tweaked, new content added, and new ways to level. Give them a chance to implement new things (Fates for DoL I hope). Why not try to figure put a new way to exp yourself? I'm sure in a few months or so people will have a nice way to exp party without fates. Stop complaining and start throwing out contrastive ideas. The dev team is listening but I'm sure there tired of seeing people cry and moan.

[Sunoske]

Lets just face the fact here, you guys are crying over a new game that has not even been out for a month yet. There's still so much they are gonna add its just a starting point things will be tweaked, new content added, and new ways to level. Give them a chance to implement new things (Fates for DoL I hope). Why not try to figure put a new way to exp yourself? I'm sure in a few months or so people will have a nice way to exp party without fates. Stop complaining and start throwing out contrastive ideas. The dev team is listening but I'm sure there tired of seeing people cry and moan.

I don't Really see who's complaining, or did you not read his post? o-o This seems more like a rebuttal imo to the people who complain about how fates need to be nurfed and whatnot. o-o